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Revealed: secret Taliban peace bid
Saudis are sponsoring a peace dialogue involving a former senior member of the hardline group
Jason Burke in Kabul The Observer, Sunday September 28 2008
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The Taliban have been engaged in secret talks about ending the conflict in Afghanistan in a wide-ranging 'peace process' sponsored by Saudi Arabia and supported by Britain, The Observer can reveal.

The unprecedented negotiations involve a senior former member of the hardline Islamist movement travelling between Kabul, the bases of the Taliban senior leadership in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and European capitals. Britain has provided logistic and diplomatic support for the talks - despite official statements that negotiations can be held only with Taliban who are ready to renounce, or have renounced, violence.

Sources in Afghanistan confirmed the controversial talks, though they said that in recent weeks they had 'lost momentum'. According to Afghan government officials in Kabul, the intensity of the fighting this summer has been one factor. Another is the inconsistency of the Taliban's demands.

'They keep changing what they are asking for. One day it is one thing, the next another,' one Afghan government adviser with knowledge of the negotiations said. One aim of the initiative is to drive a wedge between Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Last week the French Prime Minister, François Fillon, referred indirectly to the talks during a parliamentary debate on Afghanistan. 'We must explore ways of separating the international jihadists from those who are acting more for nationalist or tribal motives. Efforts in this direction are being led by Sunni [Muslim] countries such as Saudi Arabia,' he said.

This summer's fighting season in Afghanistan has been the most violent since the invasion of 2001. The deterioration of the situation has provoked a major review of strategy among the 40-nation international coalition pitted against an increasingly confident and effective insurgency.

Although there have been low-level contacts with individual Taliban commanders at district level before, the Saudi initiative is the first attempt to talk to the Taliban leadership council based in or around the south-west Pakistan city of Quetta, known as the 'Quetta Shura'.

The talks started in the summer and have been brokered by Saudi Arabia at the invitation of the Afghan government. The go-between has spent weeks ferrying lists of demands and counter-demands between the Afghan capital, Riyadh and Quetta. He has also visited London to speak to Foreign Office and MI6 personnel. A delegation from Saudi intelligence has also visited Kabul.

The Taliban are understood to have submitted a list of 11 conditions for ending hostilities, which include demands to be allowed to run key ministries and a programmed withdrawal of western troops.

In Kabul, President Hamid Karzai's national security adviser, Zalmay Rasul, has been in charge of the negotiations. It is understood that Karzai has yet to make a formal response to the demands, leading to frustration among some western officials.

The Observer has also learnt of a separate exchange of letters in the summer between Karzai and the Taliban ally Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The dialogue proved fruitless.
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This is surprising ? The taliban are just trying to acheive on paper what they cant on the battlefield. Can you make peace with a hydra ? I dont think so. The Predator campaign against their leadership is paying off. They dont know who to trust. Their heavy handed tactics in the areas they control dont win them any friends. Killing innocent people doesnt pay either as AQ in Iraq found out.
 
GAP said:
He has also visited London to speak to Foreign Office and MI6 personnel. A delegation from Saudi intelligence has also visited Kabul.

Sounds like Timmy is going to give somebody up?
 
As long as drug money is to be made one can forget any peace,...the drug lords will find someone else to play "stooge" for them.
 
Folks, folks, folks, nothing to see here - just check out this forum posting attributed to the Taliban
The media reports abut the peace process' between Taliban and kabul sponsored by Saudi Arabia and supported by Britain is untrue.  or that the unprecedented talks" involved a senior ex-Taliban member traveling between Kabul, the bases of the Taliban senior leadership in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia all of that was baseless.  The ex_member of Taliban which were surrender or under surveillance they were not delegacy of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.  The enemy is using this propaganda campaign,is at it again with its distortion to engaged Muslim in order to weaken the Muslims. our struggle will be continued until the departure of foreign troops.

Also, on the official Taliban web site here
....  Afghanistan Islamic Emirate leadership council consider such baseless rumours as a failed attempts of the enemy to create mistrust and concerns among Afghans and other nations and Mujahideen.  No official member of the Taliban is currently or in the past have negotiated with the US or the puppet Afghan government. A few former officials of Taliban who are under house arrest or have surrendered do not represent Islamic Emirate .... Our struggle will continue until the departure of all foreign troops.

They wouldn't be lying, would they?  C'mon, say it ain't so...  ;)

However, if the English translation says exactly what the Taliban mean to say in the second quote (and since it's on the Taliban's official web page, I'd take that as an "official" translation), there are some tea leaves to be read in the bolded-underline statement.

 
I for one am inclined to believe the Taliban.

I mean why wouldn't I?

Taliban assassinate top Afghan female police officer

The highest-ranking female police officer in Afghanistan was gunned down Sunday in Kandahar City as the Taliban finally made good on their threats to assassinate her.
The Taliban was quick to take credit for her murder...etc..

Oh right. ::)
 
NO NEGOTIATIONS NONE NADA NIL.

This sounds like the Paris Peace Talks all over.....forget it, its designed to buy time.

Our negotiations should be done through a C-79 sight, mounted on a C7, whatever variant we use.
 
OldSolduer said:
NO NEGOTIATIONS NONE NADA NIL.

This sounds like the Paris Peace Talks all over.....forget it, its designed to buy time.

Our negotiations should be done through a C-79 sight, mounted on a C7, whatever variant we use.

Hell ya! Except maybe a better sight  ;)
 
OldSolduer said:
NO NEGOTIATIONS NONE NADA NIL.

This sounds like the Paris Peace Talks all over.....forget it, its designed to buy time.

Our negotiations should be done through a C-79 sight, mounted on a C7, whatever variant we use.

I'd rather it from further away.

In KT's  ;)

We must remember a leopard does not change its spots. Once a cancer, always a cancer, and radiation seems to work there too.
 
We have two options.
First option: we kill all Taliban.  This, folks, ain't gonna happen.  In my professional opinion, we don't need to kill all of them.  Heck, some nazis survived WW2.
Second option: accept their surrender.  This, folks, is how wars are won.  Whether or not there are conditions to that surrender is up to President Karzai (and his successors). 
Until Option 2 is realised, then we keep working on option 1.  (And by "kill", I don't just mean in the temporal sense, but also in terms of their support and so forth)


 
Mortarman Rockpainter said:
We have two options.
First option: we kill all Taliban.  This, folks, ain't gonna happen.  In my professional opinion, we don't need to kill all of them.  Heck, some nazis survived WW2.
Second option: accept their surrender.  This, folks, is how wars are won.  Whether or not there are conditions to that surrender is up to President Karzai (and his successors). 
Until Option 2 is realised, then we keep working on option 1.  (And by "kill", I don't just mean in the temporal sense, but also in terms of their support and so forth)
Good points.
Taking into consideration the Talibans most recent action of assassinating a female police officer, do you think;
The Taliban are actually serious about peace and are willing to accept such heresay as females treated like human beings?
Would they actually put down their hate and accept something they've fought so hard to exterminate?
Would one body be able to speak for the Taliban or are there so many different leadership personalities that some of their commanders would just say screw this and continue. IS the Taliban capable of being a single identity?
Will they just loose interest in the peace talks and revert back to their former self?


Nazi's did survive WW2 but they didn't have much of a choice as far as surrendering went, I don't think the Taliban are that desperate yet.
I guess I just don't really see the Taliban accepting peace and abiding by it, hope I'm wrong.


 
We all know what Karzai is going to do, but nobody is willing to admit it.

He'll eventually get his peace deal with the Pastun Tribes (under a whole host of names), but at the expense of a few government seats, and the subjugation of the very same area we are working and dying to free. The "Taliban" will get their areas back under their interpretation of Sharia Law and brutal domination, we'll wipe our hands of the whole mess and shake our diplomatic heads tutting tutting all the way back to our western abodes......

The western nations have done it repeatedly, but we lie to ourselves that we did some good....
 
GAP said:
We all know what Karzai is going to do, but nobody is willing to admit it.

He'll eventually get his peace deal with the Pastun Tribes (under a whole host of names), but at the expense of a few government seats, and the subjugation of the very same area we are working and dying to free. The "Taliban" will get their areas back under their interpretation of Sharia Law and brutal domination, we'll wipe our hands of the whole mess and shake our diplomatic heads tutting tutting all the way back to our western abodes......

The western nations have done it repeatedly, but we lie to ourselves that we did some good....
Well Said, and 10 years after everyone pulls out all will be back to the same as before you all went in.
 
Speaking of speaking to the Taliban, this shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act. - highlights mine, link to Taliban statement in English and original Arabic below news text....

Afghan president calls on Taliban leader for peace
Jonathon Burch, Reuters (UK), 30 Sept 08
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Afghan President Hamid Karzai has made a call for peace to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and has asked the king of Saudi Arabia to help in talks with the militant group responsible for a surge in violence.

Karzai's plea comes hours after Omar urged U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan to withdraw or face a similar defeat to occupying Soviet troops a generation ago.

"A few days ago I called upon their leader, Mullah Omar, and said 'My brother, my dear, come back to your homeland, come and work for the peace and good of your people and stop killing your brothers'," Karzai told reporters on Tuesday.

Earlier, a Taliban spokesman told Reuters that Omar had said: "Reconsider your wrong decision of wrong occupation, and seek a safe exit to withdraw your forces."

If the occupation persisted, "you will be defeated in all parts of the world ... like the former Soviet Union", Omar said.


The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979 to prop up a Marxist government against mujahideen fighters, but was ground down by guerrilla warfare and finally withdrew in 1989.

"NO NEGOTIATIONS"

Karzai denied reports that negotiations with the Taliban had taken place in Saudi Arabia, but said he had written to the Saudi king to ask him to help bring peace to Afghanistan and the region.

Britain's Observer newspaper said on Sunday that peace talks with the militant group were being mediated by Saudi Arabia and backed by Britain. Karzai rejected the claim saying the article was incorrect.

The Taliban leadership on Monday also denied the report that they were negotiating with the Afghan government to end the war and repeated their pledge to keep fighting. Saudi Arabia was one of the few countries to recognise a Taliban government when they ruled most of Afghanistan in the 1990s. The hardline Islamists were ousted in late 2001.

"There have been no negotiations in Saudi Arabia. If any negotiations take place, it will be in our own land," Karzai said after prayers on the first day of celebrations following the fasting month of Ramadan.

Karzai is an ethnic Pashtun, the country's biggest ethnic group that includes Mullah Omar and most members of the Taliban.

Karzai also said he would assure the protection of Mullah Omar and other Taliban members who wished to make peace with international forces in Afghanistan.

"They should come back and not be afraid of the foreigners. I will stand in front of the foreigners," said Karzai.

Omar's exact whereabouts is not known but he is thought to be hiding in the mountainous area straddling the Afghan-Pakistan border.

U.S. officials say he is in Pakistan's border areas next to Afghanistan from where he directs insurgency operations across the border, a claim Pakistan has consistently denied.

The U.S government has set a $10 million bounty for the one-eyed elusive militant.


Omar's statement offering clean getaway to Coalition troops (in Arabic) - English version
 
I still believe in peace through superior fire power, M777 up the @ss talifuks!!! Ubique
 
The attitudes in here are, IMHO, dangerous.  If one wishes to fight for the sake of fighting, so be it.  I just think that, in the end, we must force these dudes to the table through focussed violent action.  It is not our role, nor is it ethically acceptable, to "kill them all".  Their violent actions must stop, but in the end, as I've already said before, even the most hard-lined Nazis were "De-Nazified" at the end of World War Two.  Remember, we're talking about people who marched others off to Gas Chambers because of their race, sexual and political preference as well as for their religious views.
If Mullah Omar wishes to stop the killing, he can do so.  Until such time, we will continue with great success, albeit with some heartache along the way.  In the end, it is up to our political masters to decide that.  M777 "up the@ss" is certainly not going to win this war.  Getting them to the table is our job as a military.  Getting them to stop is the job of the politicians, and in this case, that is Mr. Karzai and his successors.
 
Mortarman Rockpainter said:
The attitudes in here are, IMHO, dangerous.  If one wishes to fight for the sake of fighting, so be it.  I just think that, in the end, we must force these dudes to the table through focussed violent action.  It is not our role, nor is it ethically acceptable, to "kill them all".  Their violent actions must stop, but in the end, as I've already said before, even the most hard-lined Nazis were "De-Nazified" at the end of World War Two.  Remember, we're talking about people who marched others off to Gas Chambers because of their race, sexual and political preference as well as for their religious views.
If Mullah Omar wishes to stop the killing, he can do so.  Until such time, we will continue with great success, albeit with some heartache along the way.  In the end, it is up to our political masters to decide that.  M777 "up the@ss" is certainly not going to win this war.  Getting them to the table is our job as a military.  Getting them to stop is the job of the politicians, and in this case, that is Mr. Karzai and his successors.

Well said and despite it not being what many want to hear - It is our role
 
So far, Taliban response is "Thanks, but no thanks":
.... "We reject an offer for negotiation by the Afghan's puppet and slave President Hamid Karzai," Mullah Brother told Reuters by satellite telephone from an undisclosed location.  He said Karzai had no right to negotiate. "He only says and does what he is told by America."  The harsh rhetoric against Karzai is a departure from recent Taliban statements which have taken a softer line on the pro-Western president who has led Afghanistan since U.S.-led and Afghan forces toppled the Taliban after the September 11 attacks.  It also appears to reverse a statement by Brother in March in which he said the Taliban could cooperate with Karzai's government and called for a negotiated ending to the fighting....
 
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