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Russia's Arctic Militarization (merged)

daftandbarmy said:
Or.... we base out of Edmonton - or someplace like that - and swamp the north with more cost effective sensors to augment/ support the Rangers, and have an efficent QRF that can go anywhere, anytime, fast.

Gee, you could even reinstitiute the Airborne Regiment (sharp intake of breath) and prove that you can deliver a war capable battle group to any spot in the north within a few hours/days.

With an all-season road to Inuvik for the establishment of a Forward Operating Base capable of supporting Resolute, Alert and Iqaluit.  And then you are just about right back to 1968 (or at least the Pre-Trudeau vision).
 
The Russians are only allowed to claim up to 350 nm from their baselines. I really doubt that conflicts with any Canadian territorial claims.

Like most of the current governments position on the Arctic, this is much ado about nothing.
 
A letter of mine in the Ottawa Citizen Sept. 26:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/letters/story.html?id=22656e35-8c06-462a-bdc8-da2e94cfa2fe

Areas of dispute

Re: Boots on tundra, Sept. 23.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/views/story.html?id=b05f0a48-8514-4342-a418-c486885788b8

Letter-writer Bob Lidstone writes that "Simply put, a failure on Canada's part to put our boots on our Arctic tundra will inevitably result in someone else's being there." Hardly.

Mr. Lidstone has fallen victim to the efforts of the Conservative government to stoke jingoistic fervour [for example]
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=c56381f6-ba5b-4a13-b566-fcf20f3570e6&k=85176
over the north. In fact no one except the Danes (Hans Island) has any claim on any Canadian land in the north. Foreign countries are about as likely to invade the north as they are to invade Newfoundland.

The areas of dispute are the status in maritime law of the Northwest Passage; the maritime boundary in the Beaufort Sea between the U.S. and Canada; and the economic rights to the Arctic seabed in offshore areas beyond various countries' coastal 320-kilometre exclusive economic zones.

Boots on the tundra will be of little help in asserting Canadian claims in any of these cases.

Sodden footware, I'd say, to assert sovereignty claims in the aquatic environment.

Mark
Ottawa
 
Stiring up nationalistic feelings over land areas and such has worked in some countries in the past ( Argentna for one), i dont know how it will go over here in Canada.
 
From
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090327/canada/russia_diplomacy_energy_arctic_defence_canada

OTTAWA (AFP) - The Canadian government on Friday reaffirmed its Arctic claims, saying it will defend its northern territories and waters after Russia earlier announced plans to militarize the North

...more on link.


 
Russians forming elite unit to enforce its Arctic claims,heard
on France 24 news today,looks like their serious.Are we?.
                              Regards
 
Here reproduced in accordance with the fair dealing provisions of the Copyright Act.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/01/c_13961385.htm

MOSCOW, July 1 (Xinhua) -- Russia would deploy two brigades in the Arctic to defend its interests in the region, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said Friday.

"The General Staff is currently drafting plans to establish two such formations. Those plans should take into account deployment sites, armaments, number of servicemen and infrastructure," the defense minister told reporters.

He added that the troops may be stationed in the northern Russian cities of Murmansk or Arkhangelsk, but other locations are also being considered.

Serdyukov noted that the Russian Armed Forces also intended to created similar formations in other Arctic countries, such as Finland, Norway and Sweden.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Thursday reiterated that Russia will strengthen its presence in the Arctic and protect its geopolitical interests in the region "firmly and consistently."

Do the Russians even possess the capabilities to deploy several brigade sized formations in the arctic? Does this mean anything for us?
 
the Russian Armed Forces also intended to created similar formations in other Arctic countries, such as Finland, Norway and Sweden.

Very doubtful story from a chinese website.

 
Perhaps a more credible source:

From Reuters, reproduced in accordance with the fair dealing provisions of the Copyright Act.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/01/russia-arctic-troops-idUKLDE76017D20110701

* General Staff working on plan to boost presence in Arctic
* Russia set to start producing Bulava nuclear missile

By Thomas Grove

MOSCOW, July 1 (Reuters) - Moscow will create two brigades to protect its valuable Arctic resources, Russia's defence minister said on Friday.

Moscow has walked a fine line between cooperation and aggression in the Arctic which the world's top energy producer believes could hold huge reserves of natural gas and oil.

"The General Staff is currently working on plans to create two such units," Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was quoted as telling media by state-run news agency Itar-Tass.

Declining to go into detail, he added: "The location will be determined, as well as weapons, numbers and infrastructure for the brigades."

Global warming has boosted expectations that the Arctic may provide mining, fishing and shipping prospects for the countries that have claims on the region -- Russia, the United States, Denmark, Greenland, Canada, Norway and China.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia would boost its presence in the region to protect its interests.

"As for our own geo-political interests (in the Arctic) are concerned, we shall be protecting them firmly and consistently," Putin told a meeting of his ruling United Russia party on Thursday in the Urals city of Yekaterinburg.

Late last year Russia delineated new Arctic borders with Norway and agreed to ease frontier controls in the hope of further cooperation in oil and gas exploration.

Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom (GAZP.MM) runs two major gas projects in the Arctic, including one with Statoil (STL.OL), while state-run oil major Rosneft (ROSN.MM) and BP (BP.L) operate at three Kara Sea fields.

Serdyukov also said that Russia was in a position to start production of its intercontinental Bulava missile following the most recent successful test of the armament this week.

His ministry has said the missile, which the Kremlin wants to make the cornerstone of its nuclear arms programme, will undergo four more tests this year before being introduced into service.

Previous failures -- seven out of 15 tests -- had called into question the viability of the programme.

"The Bulava flew well. And that's good news," Interfax news agency quoted him as saying. "We understand exactly that in this case it is possible to start serial production of the rocket."

Russia is looking to modernise its armaments and Putin has promised to spend nearly 20 trillion roubles ($718.4 billion) over the next decade upgrading its armed forces.

One missile can hold six to 10 nuclear warheads, which would deliver an impact of up to 100 times the atomic blast that devastated Hiroshima in 1945.
 
Inky said:
Perhaps a more credible source:

You second source makes no mention of this :

Serdyukov noted that the Russian Armed Forces also intended to created similar formations in other Arctic countries, such as Finland, Norway and Sweden.

The above is from the first article you posted.
 
Inky said:
Here reproduced in accordance with the fair dealing provisions of the Copyright Act.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/01/c_13961385.htm


Do the Russians even possess the capabilities to deploy several brigade sized formations in the arctic? Does this mean anything for us?

While it would not be any more of a direct military threat to Canada than currently exists - and even the current direct Russian threat is questionable - it does indicate that Russian politicians are having to play the same game as their western counterparts.  Though Vladimir Putin may enjoy the public spotlight, he probably yearns for the past days when a Soviet Russian leader did not have to worry about the voting public's opinion (not that he seems to worry much about it).  There is much similarity in the current Canadian government making noise about the need of an increased military presence in the North.

(Edited to add)

As for their capability to place two brigades in the arctic - note the two locations mentioned, Murmansk and Arkhangelsk.  If one compared similar Canadian locations in terms of size, facilities and transportation connections, it would be like placing a brigade in Halifax and Quebec City (except the port of Quebec City is not ice free year round).  Oh, there already is a brigade just outside Quebec City.
 
                  Another article on the subject and shared with provisions of The Copyright Act

They have been bickering about a signed agreement by the former Soviet Union of setting up a naval installation in Syria since 1971.          http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/100607.0.html  and Syria expects Russia to finally decide on the idea.  Perhaps the Russians see a brighter future in the North.

http://geoplotical.blogspot.com/
Russia has announced it will send two army brigades, including special forces soldiers, to the Arctic to protect its interests in the disputed, oil-rich zone.

Russia, the U.S., Canada, Denmark and Norway have all made claims over parts of the Arctic circle which is believed to hold up to a quarter of the Earth's undiscovered oil and gas.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Russia 'remains open for dialogue' with its polar neighbours, but will 'strongly and persistently' defend its interests in the region.

Russia's defence minister Anatoly Serdyukov said the military will deploy two army brigades which he said could be based in the town of Murmansk close to the border with Norway.

He said his ministry is working out specifics, such as troops numbers, weapons and bases, but a brigade includes a few thousand soldiers.

In May Commander of the Russian Ground Forces Aleksander Postnikov took a three-day long trip to military camps on the Kola Peninsula, next to the borders of Finland and Norway.

A spokesperson for the Russian Defense Ministry said that the first soldiers to be sent would be special forces troops specially equipped and prepared for military warfare in Arctic conditions.

Claim: In 2007 The Russians used a mini submarine to plant their flag and stake a claim on much of the Arctic Ocean floor

The Russians say the establishment of an Arctic brigade is an attempt to 'balance the situation' and point to the fact that the U.S. and Canada are already establishing similar brigades.

Drilling for oil and gas in the Arctic Circle has been made feasible as much of the Sheet ice has melted due to climate change.

Earlier this month Russia and Norway finally agreed terms on a deal to divide an area of the Barents Sea.

The two countries had been locked in a dispute over the 68,000 square mile area since 1970.

However the agreement does not address one of the Russians' key claims, that a huge undersea mountain range that covers the North Pole, forms part of Russia’s continental shelf and must therefore be considered Russian territory.

The race to secure subsurface rights to the Arctic seabed heated up in 2007 when Russia sent two small submarines to plant a tiny national flag under the North Pole.

Russia argued that the underwater ridge connected their country directly to the North Pole and as such formed part of their territory, a claim which was disputed by other Arctic nations.

The Russian company Rosneft has struck a short-term deal with BP to begin drilling in areas of the far north, even if the future of the marriage business is still not clear.

Oil reservoirs at the Val Gamburtseva oil fields in Russia's Arctic Far North. Russian state oil company Rosneft earlier this year announced a joint venture with BP

Another change brought about by the melting ice in the Arctic Ocean is that it has opened up new sea routes.

The amount of ice in the region continues to decrease each year and many experts predict it will disappear completely by the year 2030.

This week a leading British global security expert predicted that the competition between nations for natural resources will bring about a third world war.

Professor Michael Klare of Hampshire College, believes the next three decades will see powerful corporations at serious risk of going bust, nations fighting for their futures and significant bloodshed.

He said the winners in the race for energy security will get to decide how we live, work and play in future years - with the losers 'cast aside and dismembered'.


He explained: 'The struggle for energy resources is guaranteed to grow ever more intense for a simple reason: there is no way the existing energy system can satisfy the world’s future requirements.'
 
Russia launches Arctic expedition, beefs up military presence
  Jeff Davis/Postmedia News/July 6, 2011
http://www.canada.com/news/Russia+launches+Arctic+expedition+beefs+military+presence/5060448/story.html#ixzz1RMbFjApl

Highlights mine

A Russian scientific expedition — led by a nuclear-powered icebreaker — has set sail on a mission to solidify Russia's claim to a resource-laden tract of the Arctic seafloor, in a summer that will see intensified military activity in the high Arctic.

Russia has also announced it will station two new Arctic warfare brigades north of 60 degrees — a move that will expand Russia's northern military capabilities far beyond those of Canada.

The research vessel Academik Fyodorov will conduct a sub-sea mapping exercise of the Lomonosov and Mendeleev ridges in Russia's second mission to determine the boundaries of Russia's Arctic continental shelf.

If Russia's claims to these two ridges named for iconic Russian scientists is successful, they will gain more than one million square kilometres of Arctic territory.

In 2012, Russia will submit these and other data to a United Nations panel that will decide which nations own which sections of the Arctic seabed. The five Arctic nations — Canada, Denmark, Norway, Russia and the United States — are locked in a tight race to gather evidence to support their claims amid reports that global warming could leave the region ice-free by 2030.

"I expect that next year we will present a well-based scientific claim about expanding the borders of our Arctic shelf," Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said in the northern town of Naryan-Mar, as the expedition set sail Wednesday.

"The expedition is equipped with modern equipment and everything necessary for a proper and scientific claim," he said told Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency.

The Arctic seabed is believed to hold 13 per cent of the world's undiscovered oil reserves and 30 per cent of the gas resources yet to be found, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

Russia will do more than conduct mere scientific missions in the Arctic this summer.

The Russian military is putting together two brigades of specially trained Arctic troops to protect Russian interests, Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov announced on July 1. A brigade typically consists of 3,000 to 5,000 troops.

"The general staff is currently drafting plans to establish two such formations. Those plans should take into account deployment sites, armaments, number of servicemen and infrastructure," the defence minister said.

The minister said the northern Russian cities of Murmansk or Arkhangelsk are being considered as the bases for the new Arctic warfare units.

Also last week, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin announced plans to build a $33-billion year-round port on the Yamal Peninsula, in the Russian Arctic.


While Canada does not have such ambitious plans for infrastructure or military bases in the Arctic, the Canadian Forces will be mounting a large show of force in the Arctic this summer.


Operation Nanook is to play out in several phases on and near Baffin Island and Ellesmere Island throughout August, with more than 1,000 Canadian Forces personnel participating. It will involve CF-18 fighter jets as well a surveillance and transport aircraft, a warship, infantry companies from Quebec and Alberta, and 5 Canadian Ranger Patrol Group — Inuit reservists who have broad experience surviving in the extreme environment of the Far North.

"It will be the largest operation that has taken place in recent history," Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Saturday in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

"All of this is very much about enlarging the footprint and the permanent and seasonal presence we have in the North. It is something that we as a government intend to keep investing in."

Piotr Dutkiewicz, a professor of Russian studies at Carleton University, said Russian and Canadian claims to the Arctic seafloor overlap, and tensions stand to increase.

"The Canadians are also claiming part of this territory, so I see on the horizon some conflicting claims on this part of the Arctic,"

He said Canada's military and scientific presence in the Arctic pales in comparison to Russia's.

"At the moment, obviously, we are no match for the Russians," he said. "The Russians are stronger, better and have more money."


But while Russia has better scientific capacity, superior icebreaking and military capacity, Dutkiewicz said, Canada has a few northern strengths as well. He pointed out Canada's stricter environmental and biodiversity protections, better health and social conditions in the north, and excellent satellite technology.

He said co-operation, rather than conflict, will best serve Canada's national interest.

"If we start competition, at the moment, we may lose," he said. "If we start co-operation, we may win."


(With files from Agence France-Presse and Matthew Fisher, Postmedia News)

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57Chevy said:
While Canada does not have such ambitious plans for infrastructure or military bases in the Arctic,

I know the plans are behind schedule but to say that we have no ambitious plans for infrastructure or military bases in the Arctic is, in my personal opinion, inaccurate.

I also think that there will be more plans announced over the next few years which will increase the Canadian Forces capability in the arctic on all three fronts.

From an Air Force perspective, with the successful completion of Op Boxtop last year using the CC-177, the successful landing of a CP-140 Aurora at CFS Alert, and the overflight of a pair of CF-18's and a Polaris tanker of Alert, will, as one of the articles states,

The Air Force’s increasingly robust capability to operate in the North will continue to be tested and demonstrated in the coming months and years.

Reference articles hyperlinked below:

Nanisivik, Nunavut naval facility project delayed at least two years

Northern lights shine on Canada’s Air Force

Aurora makes historic Alert landing
 
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Reproduced with the usual caveats et cetera
 
Hah that's funny, I can imagine the Afghan hands, scanning the beach at Coppermine for IED's just out of habit.

In 10 years the new guys will be rolling their eyes about the "Old Afghans types" just as the current genration rolled their eyes at the "cold war types", who rolled their eyes at the "Korean war vets".
 
I'm not a big fan of the ceasefire.ca web page, but the site is sharing a July 2011 Briefing Note (6 page PDF), obtained via ATIP request, attributed to the DM of DND outlining Russia's threat (or lack thereof) to the Arctic - an excerpt:
.... While many observers have commented in the media on Russia's perceived provocative actions in the Arctic, there has yet to be any serious cause for alarm .... {REDACTED} .... Moreover, DFAIT has noted in the past that both countries also share common challenges related to policy making in the Arctic.  Indeed, these commonalities could yield political and commercial opportunities for cooperation between Moscow and Ottawa.  From a Defence perspective, in spite of disagreements over Russian (Long Range Aviation) flights, there is mutual interest with regard to cooperation in SAR and Arctic domain awareness.  Defence is continuing to explore the potential for further cooperation with Russia in these fields ....
 
Via the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin-ukraine-forces-nazis-arctic

He (Putin) answered questions from young supporters, some waving banners bearing his face, at a pro-Kremlin youth camp on the shores of a lake. He looked relaxed but his tone grew intense as he spoke of Russia's military might, reminding the crowd that Russia was a strong nuclear power. "Russia's partners … should understand it's best not to mess with us," he said.

And he made a pointed reference to the Arctic, which, with its bounteous energy reserves and thawing waterways, is emerging as a potential new point of conflict between Russia and its western rivals. "Our interests are concentrated in the Arctic. And of course we should pay more attention to issues of development of the Arctic and the strengthening of our position," he said.

How thin should we slice the salami?
 
Kirkhill said:
Via the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin-ukraine-forces-nazis-arctic

How thin should we slice the salami?


Our first slice should be to announce that we will acquire and deploy at least four under-ice capable (say 15 days under ice endurance*) submarines: air independent propulsion. I do not have anything like enough knowledge, but at least two countries, Germany and Sweden, have and use such vessels.

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* I'm guessing that 10 days at, say 10 knots = 2,000+ nautical miles which I'm also guessing is sufficient for our purposes.)
 
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