There are currently 23,892 commissioned officers to lead the 42,252 non-commissioned members (NCMs).
I can't remember the number off-hand, but I don't think it was 1/4. More like 1/6 or so.It's probably accurate, Jarnhamar. What else can you expect in a military where a quarter of your personnel is in the National Capital (and likely in staff positions at HQ)?
Has the number of officers been a point worth mentioning in any democratic, non-military junta-style countries during election periods though?In short, I don't trust his figures but, that said, I completely agree that we are grossly over-officered and the the numbers of folks in the NCR (together with the civilian element of DND) is obscene. Why this and the MND's incompetence aren't an election issue shows how little the CAF matters to any of the parties.
And yet they will go back to him, regardless of his bullshit stats, for quotes. One weeps.I'm looking at a somewhat older establishment from Dec 2017 which has listed 13,497 commissioned officers in the regular force and 47,753 non-commissioned ranks for a ratio of 1:3.54. At that time we had 106 GOFOs, 332 Cols and 531 CWOs. Quite frankly that's a lot more of all three ranks than what we need.
I can't see how the officer numbers could rise by 10,000 over three and one half years. My guess is that he has counted in the number of reserve force officers which back in 2017 was authorized at 8,088 (including 18 GOFOs, 92 Cols - as well as another 215 CWOs) Although he doesn't seem to have counted in the reserve force ORs which were established at 39,212 (and, off course, nowhere near recruited or funded at that level)
In short, I don't trust his figures but, that said, I completely agree that we are grossly over-officered and the the numbers of folks in the NCR (together with the civilian element of DND) is obscene. Why this and the MND's incompetence aren't an election issue shows how little the CAF matters to any of the parties.
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The only time the CAF has mattered in recent years is 2002-2014.Why this and the MND's incompetence aren't an election issue shows how little the CAF matters to any of the parties.
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Fair enough. I wonder if at one point when we were hammering class upon class through RMC someone raised a hand and asked about the 60,000 NCM positions we were missing and who these new leaders were going to lead.But the logic here for a country the size and in the economic position of Canada is not that we are over officered, it's that we are about 60,000 NCM's short of where we should be. NCM's aren't usually found in HQ staff positions, they are the ones that fight, fly and float - and that is what we need more of.
The CWO/CPO1 SEM provided a few new "off ramps" for Chiefs who were no longer part of the succession plan.2017 is before the Chief modernization initiative that reverted a lot of technical chiefs to MWO. That probably changes Drapeaus numbers significantly.
If he somehow counted in the CIC, that would throw the numbers way off.I'm looking at a somewhat older establishment from Dec 2017 which has listed 13,497 commissioned officers in the regular force and 47,753 non-commissioned ranks for a ratio of 1:3.54. At that time we had 106 GOFOs, 332 Cols and 531 CWOs. Quite frankly that's a lot more of all three ranks than what we need.
I can't see how the officer numbers could rise by 10,000 over three and one half years. My guess is that he has counted in the number of reserve force officers which back in 2017 was authorized at 8,088 (including 18 GOFOs, 92 Cols - as well as another 215 CWOs) Although he doesn't seem to have counted in the reserve force ORs which were established at 39,212 (and, off course, nowhere near recruited or funded at that level)
In short, I don't trust his figures but, that said, I completely agree that we are grossly over-officered and the the numbers of folks in the NCR (together with the civilian element of DND) is obscene. Why this and the MND's incompetence aren't an election issue shows how little the CAF matters to any of the parties.
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