Senior Officer numbers - FB post by Col (Ret'd) Michel Drapeau

[Kirkhill]

As of 19 Aug and according to Guardian, the CAF Reg Force is made up of (Read Rank, Filled, Unfilled):

Pte(B), 0, 1857
Pte, 1296, 278
Pte/Cpl, 10378, 3325
Cpl, 6657, 1908
MCpl, 7903, 2166
Sgt, 5905, 1211
WO, 3491, 672
MWO, 1808, 322
CWO, 425, 14
OCdt, 0, 3126
2Lt, 0, 615
Lt/Capt, 1650, 990
Lt, 172, 121
Capt, 4173, 1364
Maj, 3424, 763
LCol, 1231, 154
Col, 331, 24
BGen, 61, 4
MGen, 31, 1
LGen, 9, 0
Gen, 1, 0
Totals, 48946, 18915 or if all positions were filled 67861

Reserve
Pte(R), 538, 246
Pte(B), 1, 1
Pte, 292, 184
Pte/Cpl, 10282, 6721
Cpl, 1497, 2067
MCpl, 2910, 4087
Sgt, 2265, 2823
WO, 958, 1464
MWO, 457, 536
CWO, 163, 53
OCdt, 244, 114
2Lt, 68, 38
Lt/Capt, 1077, 925
Lt, 218, 151
Capt, 1147, 1425
Maj, 840, 835
LCol, 281, 255
Col, 42
BGen, 6, 7
MGen, 0, 4
Totals, 23286, 21989, or if all posns were filled 45275


So the ratio of all Reg Force filled officers vs all NCO posns is 3.41. If all positions were filled that ratio changes to 2.71.
The Reserve numbers for filled posns is 4.93. If all posns were filled it changes to 4.85.

Combining the numbers of filled posns Reg and Reserve would give 3.81 and 3.35 if we were full up posn wise.

Note these numbers do not contain Rangers or COATS posns.

Am I reading those numbers correctly? In the Reg Force something like 1/3rd of the JR positions are unfilled? And 2/3rds in the Reserves?

How much of a security clearance does a Pte require? Especially a Reserve Pte? Get them in the door. Attest them. Slap a hat on their head and start training them.

 

[dimsum]

How much of a security clearance does a Pte require? Especially a Reserve Pte?

Depends on the trade.

 

[dapaterson]

Per my note, those numbers are at odds with other data sources.

 

[Kirkhill]

Depends on the trade.

Seen

But I'm talking about "real" soldiers. You know them. The ones with the rifles in their hands?

 

[Weinie]

Seen

But I'm talking about "real" soldiers. You know them. The ones with the rifles in their hands?

Ouch.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Running SYEP programs again across Canada would introduce a lot of young people to the military lifestyle and act as a recruiting tool. Based on their performance they get a bonus for signing up in Reg/Res and completing basic. They could even skip a couple of weeks of basic and be in a SYEP platoon to hone the missing skillsets.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Am I reading those numbers correctly? In the Reg Force something like 1/3rd of the JR positions are unfilled? And 2/3rds in the Reserves?

How much of a security clearance does a Pte require? Especially a Reserve Pte? Get them in the door. Attest them. Slap a hat on their head and start training them.

Dude, you need to be more specific...

Is it a hat, a balmoral, a caubeen, a glengarry, a beret, a wedge cap, a peak cap, a toque, a bearskin....

 

[Harris]

Per my note, those numbers are at odds with other data sources.

Those numbers are from Guardian so the MCS reporting website tells me. But...The numbers change significantly if I were to generate numbers showing which positions have the correct trade and rank in them. I've found that no two reporting methodology reports the same numbers for supposedly the same thing being counted. Even within Monitor Mass, I get different numbers depending on what report I use. Also note those numbers I quoted do not include any persons in COATS or Rangers posns.

 

[Kirkhill]

Dude, you need to be more specific...

Is it a hat, a balmoral, a caubeen, a glengarry, a beret, a wedge cap, a peak cap, a toque, a bearskin....

Sorry. You're right. And I forgot about the toques with the targets on top.

 

[dapaterson]

Generally the system uses the top level basic MCS data when reporting on total numbers.

MCS can be quite revelatory in looking at some demographics...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

As of 19 Aug and according to Guardian, the CAF Reg Force is made up of (Read Rank, Filled, Unfilled):


Lt/Capt, 1650, 990

What is this group...anyone know?

Capt, 4173, 1364
Maj, 3424, 763
LCol, 1231, 154

Specific to the ranks above, (assumed) PML # of

5537 - Capt//Lt(N)
4187 - Maj/LCdr
1385 - Col/Cdr

The Maj/LCdr numbers seems high, if you 'pyramid' things down in a basic sense. Any reason for the 4k+, or is it just me that sees that number as a little out of whack?

I know we have some specialist officers at the Maj/LCol ranks but...

 

[SupersonicMax]

What is this group...anyone know?




Specific to the ranks above, (assumed) PML # of

5537 - Capt//Lt(N)
4187 - Maj/LCdr
1385 - Col/Cdr

The Maj/LCdr numbers seems high, if you 'pyramid' things down in a basic sense. Any reason for the 4k+, or is it just me that sees that number as a little out of whack?

I know we have some specialist officers at the Maj/LCol ranks but...

I think the Lt/Capt means positions that can be staffed with a Lt (O-2) or a Capt (O-3) whereas the Capt/Lt(N) are positions that need to be staff with O-3s.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Copy, that makes sense. I never thought of high/low ranked positions.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Capt = LT(N)

 

[dapaterson]

"Hey you" Capt vs "Yes Sir" Capt.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Capt = LT(N)

I don't think that's the way the ranks/#s are broken out, though. You'll notice it says Major, not Maj/LCdr...

 

[Navy_Pete]

I think the Lt/Capt means positions that can be staffed with a Lt (O-2) or a Capt (O-3) whereas the Capt/Lt(N) are positions that need to be staff with O-3s.

There are a lot of positions like that, and also some Capt/Maj jobs. Years ago some ass clown got promoted by knocking down the ship HOD positions on the CPFs from Lt(N)/LCdr to Slt/Lt(N) to have a theoretical SWE savings.

The jobs are selected by a merit board and normally everyone there is also high on the promotion list, so they've had to stall promotions a few times so people could do their HOD tours first. Usually when you get promoted it comes with a posting message, but the big pay bump gets delayed by 6 months or more. All so someone could be seen to be 'leading change'. It's a job that you spend 10 years prepping for so pretty annoying to be in a place where you are considering turning down a promotion (if they go to the previous years projection) to do the job.

Probably some similar examples where bean counters looking at just HR make changes to a spread sheet that has long term impacts they never have to deal with.

 

[FSTO]

There are a lot of positions like that, and also some Capt/Maj jobs. Years ago some ass clown got promoted by knocking down the ship HOD positions on the CPFs from Lt(N)/LCdr to Slt/Lt(N) to have a theoretical SWE savings.

The jobs are selected by a merit board and normally everyone there is also high on the promotion list, so they've had to stall promotions a few times so people could do their HOD tours first. Usually when you get promoted it comes with a posting message, but the big pay bump gets delayed by 6 months or more. All so someone could be seen to be 'leading change'. It's a job that you spend 10 years prepping for so pretty annoying to be in a place where you are considering turning down a promotion (if they go to the previous years projection) to do the job.

Probably some similar examples where bean counters looking at just HR make changes to a spread sheet that has long term impacts they never have to deal with.

That assclown’s name rhymes with nipple right?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

"Hey you" Capt vs "Yes Sir" Capt.

Huh. It has been a while since I acknowledged a difference between the two...

The beauty of being retired and a contractor I guess

 

[Navy_Pete]

That assclown’s name rhymes with nipple right?

Possibly; he's moved into the mythological realm at this point!