Seniors Benefits Discussion- split from Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Bruce Monkhouse]

"Grandpa's pogey" gets distributed around the country and may serve those who need it at least...your pet HSR serves those already with $$$$ in a tiny part of the country.

 

[ytz]

"Grandpa's pogey" gets distributed around the country and may serve those who need it at least...your pet HSR serves those already with $$$$ in a tiny part of the country.

At least you're being honest about it being redistribution and not a genuine need.....Progress.

But still on the misinformation about "tiny part of the country" with the largest chunk of the population and economy.

 

[Altair]

At least you're being honest about it being redistribution and not a genuine need.....Progress.

But still on the misinformation about "tiny part of the country" with the largest chunk of the population and economy.

geographically its small.

Land is all that matters ya ken?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

ya ken?

Typical of you when youre challenged and have no decent response.

At least you're being honest about it being redistribution and not a genuine need.....Progress.

But still on the misinformation about "tiny part of the country" with the largest chunk of the population and economy.

That'll probably serve about 2% of that population who can afford it.

And it'll do nothing for the economy, make new freight train lines if you want that.

 

[Brad Sallows]

When it comes to anything else?

"Every dollar counts. That's why we can't build HSR."

When it comes to Grandpa's pogey?

"Why bother? Only a few billion will be saved."

It's bad faith bullshit.

The "bad faith bullshit" is the way the issue is presented by some people, which is unfortunately the usual way in politics. Cite the entire program cost, and assert the existence of edge cases intended to aggravate readers (eg. "subsidizing vacations for wealthy seniors") as if they might be a fair representation of the whole.

I'm already on record here as favouring some OAS reform. I'm interested in realistic proposals that don't throw out the interests of the people I know and have known who are very low income seniors, not an intergenerational food fight.

 

[Altair]

Typical of you when youre challenged and have no decent response.

Funny, I don't remember replying to you.

I was talking to my good friend @ytz

 

[Czech_pivo]

Simply eliminating income splitting while bringing the thresehold to 81k would probably provide the bulk of the savings. Bringing the cutoff to 100k from 185k would be the cherry on top.

That all said, you wanted some numbers, this researcher has provided some. Whether they are 100 percent accurate, I cannot begin to say. What I will say is with OAS barrelling towards 100b a year it would be nice to have some reforms to the program. If this can save 20b a year, all the better.

Please site accurate numbers - OAS is not barreling towards 100b a year.
You, and others, are lumping in the cost of GIS into the OAS. I have laid out, in detail, previously the costs of GIS vs OAS. Together they can in at roughly 83-85b a year.

 

[Altair]

Please site accurate numbers - OAS is not barreling towards 100b a year.
You, and others, are lumping in the cost of GIS into the OAS. I have laid out, in detail, previously the costs of GIS vs OAS. Together they can in at roughly 83-85b a year.

My bad.

Elderly payments are barreling towards 100b a year by 2030.

 

[Czech_pivo]

My bad.

Elderly payments are barreling towards 100b a year

Again, to be clear, we are not talking about cutting GIS in any manner, at least I’m not.

GIS costs, again something that I laid out previously, range from 9-19.5b a year and is accessed to 2.6m CDNs.

 

[Altair]

Again, to be clear, we are not talking about cutting GIS in any manner, at least I’m not.

GIS costs, again something that I laid out previously, range from 9-19.5b a year and is accessed to 2.6m CDNs.

Regardless, elderly payments being 100b a year by 2030 is unsustainable.

We Canadians should want to reform the system. Everyone worried about the debt, the budget, deficits, should be looking very hard at one of the largest line items that is set to get even larger.