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Shooting rampage at Fort Hood

Technoviking said:
But he was there in Copenhagen for Chicago's bid for the Olympics, and he's going to Oslo to get his Nobel Prize. See this
Actions, my friends, not words.

Flash and no substance!
 
Military to charge Ft. Hood suspect
By Devlin Barrett, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 9th November 2009
copy at : http://www.calgarysun.com/news/world/2009/11/09/11690836-ap.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Investigative officials say the Army psychiatrist accused of the Fort Hood massacre will be charged by the U.S. military rather than in a civilian court.

The officials also say Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan communicated 10 to 20 times with a radical imam overseas who in the past came under scrutiny for possible links to terror groups. They say the communications began last year and continued into this year between Hasan and the imam, Anwar al-Awlaki, and that U.S. officials had been aware of them since last year.

The officials spoke Monday evening on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation. Awlaki writes a blog that denounces U.S. policies as anti-Muslim.
 
Did accused psychiatrist snap, or was alleged attack terrorism?
By Lee-Anne Goodman, THE CANADIAN PRESS
9th November 2009
copy at : http://www.calgarysun.com/news/world/2009/11/09/11688161.html

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama heads to Texas on Tuesday to remember the victims of last week’s mass killing at the Fort Hood military base as disturbing new details emerge about the prime suspect’s possible terrorist ties and sympathies.

ABC News reported Monday that U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was attempting to make contact with people associated with al-Qaida, the extremist Muslim group that masterminded the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United States eight years ago.

Citing two sources, ABC reported said it wasn’t yet known if the intelligence agencies had informed the Army that one of its majors was reaching out to al-Qaida.

Hasan is in a Texas hospital recovering from the injuries he suffered during the carnage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead and dozens more wounded. He is reportedly breathing on his own and talking, though it was unclear Monday whether he’d yet spoken to investigators.

In a country where the 9-11 attacks remain a gaping wound on the national psyche, some are arguing that Hasan’s alleged crime amounts to yet another terrorist assault against the United States, and was not the act of a man simply depressed about his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.

The Obama administration, Army and law enforcement officials, meanwhile, have cautioned against any rush to judgment about motive and say they’re conducting a thorough investigation.

“We are going to take a very hard look at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have prevented this,” Lt.-Gen. Bob Cone, the base commander at Fort Hood, told a news conference on Monday.

In addition to the alleged al-Qaida ties, investigators are also looking into whether Hasan, 39, maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Falls Church, a town in northern Virginia near Washington. Anwar al Awlaki now lives in Yemen and runs a website that promotes worldwide jihad against the United States.

In a blog posting early Monday entitled “Nidal Hasan Did the Right Thing,” Awlaki calls Hasan a “hero” and a “man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.”

Hasan, born and raised in the United States, reportedly attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was the imam there. The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki once made contact with two of the 9-11 hijackers.

Hasan’s relatives have said that the Army psychiatrist was despondent about his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan and had asked for a discharge, but was denied. They also say he was harassed by some of his colleagues for being a Muslim in the aftermath of 9-11, although the Army says it has no record of any complaints from Hasan about such harassment.

On Sunday, Army Chief of Staff George Casey warned against reaching conclusions about the suspected shooter’s motives until investigators have fully explored the attack.

“I think the speculation (on Hasan’s Islamic roots) could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers,” Casey said.

A government official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case said an initial review of Hasan’s computer use has found no evidence of links to terror groups or anyone who might have helped plan or push him toward the attack. The review of Hasan’s computer is continuing, the official said.

Hasan likely would face military justice rather than federal criminal charges if investigators determine the violence was the work of just one person.

Also Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the chairman of the Senate’s homeland security committee, called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signals that Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

“If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an (Islamic) extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance,” Lieberman said.

One of Lieberman’s Senate colleagues went far further, accusing Obama of a “cover-up” due to his own Muslim background. The president’s father was a Kenyan Muslim, but Obama was born in the United States and raised by his Christian mother and grandparents.

A statement from Andy Martin, a Republican from Illinois, said that Obama’s Muslim “family history and overtures to the Muslim world may be endangering America’s national security.”

“Our first priority must be to protect our men and women in uniform from domestic extremists. Period,” Martin said.

“Army intelligence failed. The FBI failed. We need leadership, not evasion and stand-pat excuses, from the Army and from the Obama administration.”

Obama and the first lady, Michelle Obama, will attend a memorial service Tuesday for the 13 people killed in the shooting. The president is delaying the start of a trip to Asia to attend the event.

In the days since the bloody rampage at Fort Hood, some increasingly startling allegations have been made about Hasan, who allegedly shouted “God is great” in Arabic — a phrase considered a jihadist battle cry — as he opened fire.

Among the allegations made by Hasan’s former colleagues that are making the rounds among various media outlets:

— That he once said Muslims should rise up against the U.S. military;

— That he repeatedly expressed sympathy for suicide bombers;

— That he was pleased by the recent murder of an army recruiter by a Muslim convert in Arkansas;

— That he publicly called for the beheading or burning of non-Muslims, saying, “if you’re a non-believer the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire.”

— That his eyes “lit up” when he mentioned his deep respect for Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at Fort Hood.
 
Fort Hood suspect awake, talking
Angela K. Brown
Fort Hood, Tex. — Associated Press
copy at : http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/fort-hood-suspect-awake-talking/article1356548/

The man accused of killing 13 people and wounding 29 others at Fort Hood is able to talk, a hospital spokesman said today, but it's not known when investigators might take advantage of his improving health to press forward with their probe into the shooting spree.

Authorities say Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan fired off more than 100 rounds Thursday before civilian police shot him in the torso. He was taken into custody and eventually moved to an Army hospital in San Antonio, where he was in stable condition and able to talk, said Dewey Mitchell, a Brooke Army Medical Center spokesman.

Authorities continue to refer to Mr. Hasan, 39, as the only suspect in the shootings, but they won't say when charges would be filed and have said they have not determined a motive. A spokesman for Army investigators did not immediately respond to calls and e-mails seeking comment.

Sixteen victims remained hospitalized with gunshot wounds, and seven were in intensive care.

The personal Web site for a radical American imam living in Yemen who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers praised Mr. Hasan as a hero. The posting today on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the Fort Hood attack are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.

Mr. Awlaki said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to “follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal.”

Two U.S. intelligence officials said the Web site was Mr. Awlaki's. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence collection. Mr. Awlaki did not immediately respond to an attempt to contact him through the Web site.

Mr. Hasan's family attended the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., where Mr. Awlaki was preaching in 2001. Mr. Hasan's mother's funeral was held at the mosque on May 31, 2001, according to her obituary in the Roanoke Times newspaper, around the same time two 9/11 hijackers worshipped at the mosque and while Mr. Awlaki was preaching.

Mr. Awlaki is a native-born U.S. citizen who left the United States in 2002, eventually travelling to Yemen. He was released from a Yemeni jail last year and has since gone missing. He is on Yemen's most wanted militant list, according to three Yemeni security officials.

The officials say Mr. Awlaki was arrested in 2006 with a small group of suspected al-Qaeda militants in the capital San'a. They say he was released more than a year later after signing a pledge he will not break the law or leave the country. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The Falls Church mosque is one of the largest on the East Coast, and thousands of worshippers attend prayers and services there every week.

Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, outreach director at Dar al Hijrah, said he did not know whether Mr. Hasan ever attended the mosque but confirmed that the Hasan family participated in services there. Mr. Abdul-Malik said the Hasans were not leaders at the mosque and their attendance was normal.

U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman said Sunday he wants Congress to determine whether the shootings constitute a terrorist attack and whether warning signs that Mr. Hasan was embracing an increasingly extremist view of Islamic ideology were missed.

Classmates who participated in a 2007-08 master's program at a military college said they complained to faculty during the program about what they considered to be Mr. Hasan's anti-American views, which included his giving a presentation that justified suicide bombing and telling classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution. “If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance,” Mr. Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, said on Fox News Sunday . ”He should have been gone.“

Army Chief of Staff George Casey warned Sunday against reaching conclusions about the suspected shooter's motives until investigators have fully explored the attack. “I think the speculation (on Mr. Hasan's Islamic roots) could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers,” he said on ABC's This Week .

U.S. President Barack Obama is scheduled to attend a memorial service Tuesday honouring victims of the attack, and he'll arrive to a post on the mend.

Fort Hood spokesman Col. John Rossi said the country's largest military installation was moving forward with the business of soldiering. The processing centre where Mr. Hasan allegedly opened fire remains a crime scene, but the activities that went on there were relocated, with the goal of soon reopening the centre.

“There's a lot of routine activity still happening. You'll hear cannon fire and artillery fire,” Mr. Rossi said. “Soldiers in units are still trying to execute the missions we have been tasked with.”

Sgt. 1st Class Frank Minnie was in the processing centre last week getting some health tests and immunizations in preparation for his deployment. Mr. Minnie said that even after the shootings, Fort Hood soldiers have the attitude that “the mission still goes on.”

“Everybody's going to grieve a little bit. It hurts a lot because it's one of your battle buddies, and someone lost a mom, dad, brother or sister,” said Mr. Minnie, 37, who served in Iraq in 2006. “But it doesn't change my perspective of going to war. I've got a job to do.”
 
A Note from Kimberly Munley
Shooting hero, Munley, sends note to public
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 9 2009 12:59 PM
copy at : http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36993

Metroplex Hospital in Killeen has sent out the following statement on behalf of Kimberly Munley and her family.

"Kimberly Munley and family would like to extend their thanks and appreciation for all of the thoughts and concerns surrounding Kim from around the nation. They are deeply touched by the outpouring of strength, thoughts and prayers that have been sent their way. At this time, the main concern for Kim's family is her safe and rapid recovery.

The family would also like to extend their heartfelt condolences to all those affected by the tragedy on Fort Hood. Mrs. Munley is very concerned with the well-being and safety of all involved and is hopeful that all injured will make a speedy recovery.

Kimberly underwent her second surgery this morning and is currently in good condition. "

Cards and prayers can be sent via the hospital Web site, www.mplex.org.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npAvM-VWwhc&feature=player_embedded

Here they are in the same area as Ft Hood spouting this B/S.Alas he is right in the end,in 5 minutes people will forget what he said.

 
More on the Five seveN pistol:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/thank-goodness-for-cop-killer-weapons/

Thank Goodness for ‘Cop Killer’ Weapons

Posted By Bob Owens On November 9, 2009 @ 12:14 am In . Column2 05, Uncategorized | 81 Comments

Authorities have identified the weapons U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan used to carry out his murderous assault at Fort Hood as a FN Five-seveN [1] pistol and an older model Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver. Initial accounts indicated that only the Five-seveN was used. Hasan fired an estimated 100+ times in the five-minute span from the start of the shooting spree until a civilian police officer at the base put him down with four shots from her own weapon.

Thirteen died and 30 were wounded Hasan’s Nov. 5 attack. It was the worst attack ever on a stateside military base. Predictably, media in the United States [2] and overseas [3] have reacted with breathless horror at the news Hasan used a weapon they’ve deemed a “cop killer” and “an assault rifle that fits in your pocket. [4]” Few things could be further from the truth.

What’s the truth? It may not come as a surprise that the media is wrong yet again, but the reason why may be surprising. Ironically, more of the wounded soldiers are possibly alive today because of Hasan’s media-hyped choice of weapons.

The Fabrique Nationale de Herstal (FN Herstal) Five-SeveN pistol chosen by Hasan for his assault was produced for the first time just over a decade ago as a companion to the FN P90 [5], a unique personal defense weapon  first produced in 1990 and chambering a new 5.7×28mm cartridge. The SS190 5.7×28mm cartridge shared by the P90 carbine and Five-seveN pistol was specifically designed to be more effective than the pistol caliber rounds used for most of the previous century by using a small-diameter, high-velocity, armor-piercing bullet that could penetrate the soft body armor increasingly being used by enemy soldiers, terrorists, and criminals.

The Five-SeveN pistol was released to the U.S. civilian market in 2004. Shortly thereafter, the Brady Campaign and a trio of anti-gun law enforcement organizations made the claim [6] that the gun was a “cop killer.” This claim was based upon a misrepresentation of marketing materials discussing the pistol’s capabilities using SS190 armor-piercing ammunition and non-certified “tests” that were contradicted by more stringent and controlled testing done by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF).

Though the SS196SR and later SS197SR ammunition available to the public was verified by government testing of being unable to penetrate the soft body armor worn by police, the media seized upon the “cop killer” claim and used it with reckless abandon.

As a result of the inaccurate branding, the Five-seveN became attractive as a status symbol for some criminal elements of society. They became particularly popular among drug cartels in Mexico that had previously been partial to 1911-style pistols chambered in .38 Super [7], based upon similar claims regarding its ability to penetrate vehicles and crude “body armor.” The Five-seveN is used by both government forces and the cartels in Mexico’s ongoing drugs wars. The not uncommon practice of cartels obtaining some of their firearms and ammunition directly from corrupt officials means that in Mexico some Five-seveN pistols serving the cartels are loaded with armor-piercing ammunition issued by the government.

That brings us back to the shootings at Fort Hood.

ABC News and the Telegraph (and, yes, even Brady once again [8], recycling the term and misleading claims they did so much to create) are once again reveling in articles shouting about the evil power contained in Major Hasan’s “cop killer” gun. But the simple fact of the matter is that there is good reason to believe that at least some of those wounded in Thursday’s shooting are alive today because of the 5.7 cartridge’s dubious capabilities.

It may seem counterintuitive to many, but the high velocities that enable the Five-seveN’s .22 bullet to drive through soft body armor are thought to be mostly wasted on unarmored targets.

The 5.7 is a relatively new cartridge with limited distribution and so actual “real world” ballistic performance is anecdotal at best, but high-velocity pistol bullets like the .38 Super noted earlier and the 7.62×25 Tokarev [9] have been around almost 80 years. Their established track record is that of bullets with excellent penetration characteristics but with questionable stopping power. The 5.7 round uses a far lighter bullet at higher velocities and the high velocity gives the bullet the distinct possibility of fragmenting. But even then, a high-velocity bullet that only weighs 40 grains (as does the legal SS197SR bullet Hasan used) is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to other pistol cartridges. Instead of dumping the bullet’s energy into the body of the person shot, these high-velocity rounds typically stab a long narrow wound channel completely through a human-sized target, or they erupt into fragments that cause narrow wound channels.

Slower, heavier bullets such as those found in the .40 S&W and .45 ACP hollow point cartridges favored by American law enforcement dump most if not all of their energy in the human body. The difference between a wound from a 5.7 bullet and a .45 ACP is not dissimilar to the difference between the wound from an ice pick and the wound from a sledgehammer. The ice pick will penetrate far deeper, but the sledgehammer will cause far more traumatic injuries.

No rational person would ever wish for our soldiers to be attacked, but the simple fact of the matter is that Hasan’s reliance on a gun the uneducated media told him was a powerful “cop killer” quite possibly saved lives at Fort Hood. If the same victims had been hit with  155-180 grain .40 S&W or 185-230 grain .45ACP hollow points, their wounds would likely have been far more severe than the wounds they suffered from even a fragmenting 40 grain VMAX bullet in the most commonly available 5.7 cartridge.

The American media has a long and ignoble history of firearms ignorance often based upon the propaganda of anti-gun organizations.

Finally, if but for once, that ignorance and fact-free hype may have served to actually save lives.

Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/thank-goodness-for-cop-killer-weapons/

URLs in this post:

[1] FN Five-seveN: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF003&gid=FNG001&cid=FNC01

[2] United States: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cop-killer-gun-thought-ft-hood-shooting/story?id=9019521

[3] overseas: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6519392/Fort-Hood-shootings-gunman-used-cop-killer-weapon-in-massacre-at-US-Army-base.html

[4] an assault rifle that fits in your pocket.: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/11/07/1107gun.html

[5] FN P90: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

[6] made the claim: http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/626

[7] .38 Super: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_47/ai_70650308/

[8] even Brady once again: http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1194

[9] 7.62×25 Tokarev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x25mm_Tokarev

I will note that unless you hit a target in a vital point, most pistol rounds won't immediately kill or incapacitate a target. If the shooter had decided to us a real assault rifle or a shotgun (or even a lever action rifle), the results could have been far worse.

 
Hasan meets with defense team
http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36996

By Matt Goodman
Killeen Daily Herald
Retired Col. John P. Galligan, a Belton-based attorney, will defend the Army psychiatrist suspected of killing 13 and injuring 38 in a mass shooting Thursday at Fort Hood.

On Monday afternoon, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's new civilian and military attorneys met him for about half an hour at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, said Galligan, who was hired by Hasan's family.

Galligan said Hasan asked for an attorney even though he is on sedatives and his condition is guarded.

"Given his medical condition, that's the smart move," Galligan told The Associated Press Monday night. "Nobody from law enforcement will be questioning him."

Galligan said both he and Maj. Christopher E. Martin, Fort Hood's senior defense attorney, met with Hasan.

Hasan was taken to Brooke Army Medical Center on Friday after being shot Thursday afternoon at Fort Hood's Soldier Readiness Processing Center. He initially was taken to an undisclosed local hospital before being moved to San Antonio.

Hasan was taken off a ventilator Saturday and is able to speak, said Brooke Army Medical Center spokesman Dewey Mitchell.

"He's still in critical but stable condition," Mitchell said. "But he is speaking with the medical staff."

Investigators tried to interview Hasan on Sunday at the military hospital where he is held under guard, but he refused to answer and requested a lawyer, the officials said.

Galligan said that charges had not been filed against Hasan as of Monday afternoon. Fort Hood officials have revealed little about the investigation, except to say that it is ongoing and that hundreds of witnesses have been interviewed.

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, III Corps and Fort Hood commander, has said that all indicators point toward Hasan acting alone.

Officials said he will be tried in a military court, not a civilian one.

The most serious charge in military court is premeditated murder, which carries the death penalty.

The Army has not yet appointed a lead prosecutor in the case, said Fort Hood spokesman Tyler Broadway.

This isn't the first time Galligan has taken on a controversial case involving a servicemember.

After ending his 30-year law career with the Army in 2001, Galligan opened a private law practice in Belton. In 2005, he represented Pfc. Willie V. Brand in a general court-martial after two Afghan detainees were found dead at Bagram, Afghanistan, in American custody.

Galligan briefly discussed the case, saying it "bothered" the community, but that he feels an obligation to defend soldiers who are accused of crimes.
 
PDF of statement retrieved from Voice of Jihad (English) page attached....

Highlights:
This is a natural reaction and resentment against the brutalities, atrocities, bombardment and tortures  of prisoners at the hand of  the American soldiers  in these two Muslim countries. The American army has killed hundred of thousands of miserable Afghans and Iraqis during the past eight years as a result of an unjustified and arrogant  wars.

The Texas event in American military base shows that if the American rulers continue their aggressive policy and fail to pull out of the prideful land of Afghanistan and Iraq, other similar incidents may occur in other military bases and barracks of America. Those who have a humane conscience  and mercy will show their reaction in the shape of a mutiny.

 
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An early analysis by Stratfor below that outlines difficulties facing various law enforcement agencies in detecting, pre-empting and prosecuting the "lone wolf" type of terrorist. (Link in title with permissions and attribution to www.stratfor.com.)

The Hasan Case: Overt Clues and Tactical Challenges

[Edit] Add: An older Stratfor article that claims rarity of actual "lone wolves" looks at different typologies of terrorist (link in title):"

Lone wolf Disconnect
 
"Fort Hood and cultural suicide: Political correctness will be the death of Western civilization.....":
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/11/lorne-gunter-fort-hood-and-cultural-suicide.aspx

 
"Imagine if a fundamentalist Christian soldier had shot up a room full of unarmed Muslims while shouting “Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour.” Imagine he had a fascination with Old Testament stories of how God smite his followers’ enemies. His pastor had advocated a new crusade to rid the Holy Land of non-Christians. He had hung out at a survivalist camp for a cultish group of white supremacists who claim a Heaven-sent mission.

These self-same commentators who are struggling so mightily now to overlook the religious aspects of Hasan’s crime would be first in line to insist that Evangelical Christianity was inherently violent and demand something be done to rein in this hateful theology."


YES!
Thanks Mariomike and thank you Mr gunter for writing the TRUTH.

 
Imagine if someone in the Canadian military had been observed and reported to authorities. That person would have immediately sued the government (the people of Canada) for millions of dollars in compensation for systemic discrimination of Muslims in the CF.

The parliamentary press gallery, CBC, CTV, let alone the LPC, NDP would have been all over it, just to embarrass the CPC. No attempt to get the truth. The only good thing possibly would the person would trade bullets for dollars.

Tell me if I am wrong.

Not on subject, but see this balanced comment by LPC apologists and CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife:

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20091110/mtl_quebec_byelection_091110/20091110/?hub=MontrealHome
"The Liberals have not been players in any of these ridings for many, many, many years," CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife told News Channel on Tuesday morning. "And while clearly it's not good news for the Liberal Party, it would be a disservice to them to say that this is bad news for them because they haven't placed very well. They haven't placed well for many years."
 
Rifleman62 said:
Imagine if

Or, imagine if he had been a Major in the Combat Arms? How much havoc could "a loose cannon" have wrecked on his own side on an Operation?

"An Army investigator claimed he would have been "crucified" if he blew the whistle on Fort Hood killer Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's correspondence with a Yemeni jihadist.":
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/hasan_prober_feared_backlash_1UGgP4ag32ECDcfosnkgFI

 
I can imagine his fear.Put yourself in the investigators shoes with todays social climate.

Now replace "red" or"commie" with terrorist,and they had no issue a mere 15 years ago.

How the PC west will fall in our children generation.
 
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