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I wouldn't say that your not part of the sigs trade and int is now looking to become part of the sigs branch. I think that we all have a job to do and can do it together. Did you ever know Gus Dubois? I worked for him in Rwanda. When I talked about radios, he laughed and would say things like did we jam that on you ... ooops. He was fun to be with and I have a few friends that are 291ers.291er said:what's that? Sorry Radop can't hear you over all that money I'm making with my spec pay
sorry for the burn, its really the only thing we can hold over you, and you're right, we're not a true signals trade per se, more closely affiliated with Int. In the States most of our trade equivalents are in the Int community I believe.
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signals intelligence (SIGINT): 1. A category of intelligence comprising, either individually or in combination, all communications intelligence, electronics intelligence, and foreign instrumentation signals intelligence, however transmitted. [JP 1-02] 2. Intelligence derived from communications, electronics, and foreign instrumentation signals. [JP 1-02]
SIGINT
SIGINT is actually a broad discipline under which multiple sub-disciplines fall. There are three major sub-disciplines that fall under SIGINT which are COMmunications INTelligence (COMINT), ELectronic INTelligence (ELINT), and Foreign Instrumentation Signals INTelligence (FISINT). It should be noted that COMINT is commonly referred to as SIGINT, which can cause confusion when talking about the broader intelligence disciplines.
SIGINT became far more central to military (and to some extent diplomatic) intelligence generally with the mechanization of armies, development of blitzkrieg tactics, use of submarine and commerce raiders warfare, and the development of practicable radio communications. For example, failure to properly protect its communications fatally compromised the Russian Army in its advance early in WWI and led to their disastrous defeat by the Germans under Ludendorff and Hindenburg at the Battle of Tannenberg. Similarly, the interception and decryption of the Zimmerman telegram was an important factor in the US decision to enter the War.
On the negative side, the inability of British commanders to take seriously traffic analysis information from intercepts was instrumental in the failure to achieve more than they did at the Battle of Jutland, thus losing what might have been a major opportunity.
The use of SIGINT had important implications during WWII as well. Early on, Admiralty dismissal of SIGINT information (also traffic analysis in this instance) contributed to the loss of HMS Glorious in 1940. The Allied ability to intercept and decrypt the German Enigma "E Traffic" and Japanese Purple (Magic) traffic proved to be a great military advantage. The combined effort of intercepts and cryptanalysis for the whole of the British forces in WWII came under the code name (Ultra) controlled from Station X (Bletchley Park). Perhaps most dramatically, intercepts of Japanese naval communications yielded information that gave Admiral Nimitz the upper hand in the ambush that resulted in the Japanese Navy's defeat at the Battle of Midway, six months after the Pearl Harbor disaster.
As sensitive information is often encrypted, SIGINT often involves the use of cryptanalysis. However, traffic analysis--the study of who is signalling who and in what quantity--can often produce valuable information, even when the messages themselves cannot be decrypted.
Intelligence derived from any of the SIGINT disciplines are very sensitive due to the ability to determine the source of the information. By determining the source of the intelligence information, the enemy can deny access or even send deceptive information to confuse and otherwise reduce the trustworthiness of the information.
The UKUSA Community is an alliance of English-speaking nations led by the United States and United Kingdom for the purpose of gathering intelligence via signals intelligence.
The UKUSA constituent agencies are:
Australia - Defence Signals Directorate (DSD)
Canada - Communications Security Establishment (CSE)
New Zealand - Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB)
United Kingdom - Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ)
United States - National Security Agency (NSA)
One role of the UKUSA Community is to service the ECHELON system. (now dont take the echelon concept too seriously)
http://www.tscm.com/cseukusa.html (great reading about the ukusa community)
If you have any questions regarding sigint and how canada is involved and it's different departments entities and such, just ask, I did some extensive research and studies in that deparment, also I did my QL3 as a comm rsch (bailed out a few weeks before grad) with ex-fusiller.
SIGINT
SIGINT is actually a broad discipline under which multiple sub-disciplines fall. There are three major sub-disciplines that fall under SIGINT which are COMmunications INTelligence (COMINT), ELectronic INTelligence (ELINT), and Foreign Instrumentation Signals INTelligence (FISINT). It should be noted that COMINT is commonly referred to as SIGINT, which can cause confusion when talking about the broader intelligence disciplines.
SIGINT became far more central to military (and to some extent diplomatic) intelligence generally with the mechanization of armies, development of blitzkrieg tactics, use of submarine and commerce raiders warfare, and the development of practicable radio communications. For example, failure to properly protect its communications fatally compromised the Russian Army in its advance early in WWI and led to their disastrous defeat by the Germans under Ludendorff and Hindenburg at the Battle of Tannenberg. Similarly, the interception and decryption of the Zimmerman telegram was an important factor in the US decision to enter the War.
On the negative side, the inability of British commanders to take seriously traffic analysis information from intercepts was instrumental in the failure to achieve more than they did at the Battle of Jutland, thus losing what might have been a major opportunity.
The use of SIGINT had important implications during WWII as well. Early on, Admiralty dismissal of SIGINT information (also traffic analysis in this instance) contributed to the loss of HMS Glorious in 1940. The Allied ability to intercept and decrypt the German Enigma "E Traffic" and Japanese Purple (Magic) traffic proved to be a great military advantage. The combined effort of intercepts and cryptanalysis for the whole of the British forces in WWII came under the code name (Ultra) controlled from Station X (Bletchley Park). Perhaps most dramatically, intercepts of Japanese naval communications yielded information that gave Admiral Nimitz the upper hand in the ambush that resulted in the Japanese Navy's defeat at the Battle of Midway, six months after the Pearl Harbor disaster.
As sensitive information is often encrypted, SIGINT often involves the use of cryptanalysis. However, traffic analysis--the study of who is signalling who and in what quantity--can often produce valuable information, even when the messages themselves cannot be decrypted.
Intelligence derived from any of the SIGINT disciplines are very sensitive due to the ability to determine the source of the information. By determining the source of the intelligence information, the enemy can deny access or even send deceptive information to confuse and otherwise reduce the trustworthiness of the information.
The UKUSA Community is an alliance of English-speaking nations led by the United States and United Kingdom for the purpose of gathering intelligence via signals intelligence.
The UKUSA constituent agencies are:
Australia - Defence Signals Directorate (DSD)
Canada - Communications Security Establishment (CSE)
New Zealand - Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB)
United Kingdom - Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ)
United States - National Security Agency (NSA)
One role of the UKUSA Community is to service the ECHELON system. (now dont take the echelon concept too seriously)
http://www.tscm.com/cseukusa.html (great reading about the ukusa community)
If you have any questions regarding sigint and how canada is involved and it's different departments entities and such, just ask, I did some extensive research and studies in that deparment, also I did my QL3 as a comm rsch (bailed out a few weeks before grad) with ex-fusiller.
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oh shit almost forgot here's a very comprehensive link about the sigint, ukusa and such, it gives you a broad idea of that world.
also the NSA currently has 80 000 employees around the world and is considered as one of the best source of intelligence and also as on the most inefective one, depends on who you ask. Some will only rely on HUMINT.
Good book on the matter: http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400060346/qid=1138592869/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1_1/702-3838364-1202413
Chatter: Dispatches from the Secret World of Global Eavesdropping
by Patrick Radden Keefe (Author)
also the NSA currently has 80 000 employees around the world and is considered as one of the best source of intelligence and also as on the most inefective one, depends on who you ask. Some will only rely on HUMINT.
Good book on the matter: http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400060346/qid=1138592869/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1_1/702-3838364-1202413
Chatter: Dispatches from the Secret World of Global Eavesdropping
by Patrick Radden Keefe (Author)
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blahh it's easy to figure out most of the stuff and capability, and well also real expectation. cause even if theoricly any radio wave or communication can be picked up, you still have to localize the one you want, scrap all the unwanted bullshit, then translate whatever you picked up, figure out if they speak in some sort of weird dialect and them what is the lingo or expression they use to designate particular concepts.
So all in all given the amount of communication going these days the usefulness of the sigint community is very debatable.
So all in all given the amount of communication going these days the usefulness of the sigint community is very debatable.
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I have to disagree on that point old friend. I will say that it's a fact that the SIGINT community is a vital part of the Intelligence community. It's usefulness is very debated by the public, and mainly by people who don't have access to their product/information.
As far as the productivity or usefulness of SIGINT, I'm not going to get into that for two reasons: 1) I'm hardly qualifed to do such, and 2) It's not really something that anyone that has anything to do with it is willing to talk about....for obvious reasons.
There are a lot of good books out there on this stuff, but remember, authors want to sell books! The truth is often a lot less exciting or sensational.
As far as the productivity or usefulness of SIGINT, I'm not going to get into that for two reasons: 1) I'm hardly qualifed to do such, and 2) It's not really something that anyone that has anything to do with it is willing to talk about....for obvious reasons.
There are a lot of good books out there on this stuff, but remember, authors want to sell books! The truth is often a lot less exciting or sensational.
George Wallace
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As we are all speculative in this topic, and facts can not be published, I am locking this thread before we cross the OPSEC Line.
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