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Sikh & India (Alleged) Shenanigans in Canada (split fm Non-Muslim terr thread)
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It is illegal to kill people on Canadian soil.
Is it illegal for people in Canada to plan to kill people on Indian soil?
That seems to the be the brunt of the Indian concern. Their anti-government factions are considerably more likely to use lethal force in India than ours in Canada are.
Is it illegal for people in Canada to plan to kill people on Indian soil?
That seems to the be the brunt of the Indian concern. Their anti-government factions are considerably more likely to use lethal force in India than ours in Canada are.
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…or over oceans in international airspace…
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Yes.
465 (1) Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of conspiracy:
- (a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;
Also potentially several terrorism offences.
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Mayhap the Indian government might like us to enforce our laws.
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Except hasn't their griping been "harbouring nasty separatists," not anything (at least publicly) about specific concerns that this or that Khalistani group is actually planning on committing murder or other terrorist acts? IIRC the Indian government has made statements that seem to equate just being a Khalistani activist with being a terrorist.
Because being a disruptive, annoying, irrational, loud, persistent, etc. separatist in Canada is entirely legal, and personally anyone who gets under the Hindutva crowd's skin without committing anything Canada deems a crime should keep it up.
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But you see, that would require intelligence that I don't have. I kind of thought that was what the Indians were complaining about. That intelligence wasn't being shared, or read.
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Absolutely agree with everything you said.
But.
If anyone in Canada is colouring outside the lines and planning violence in support of a free Khalistan, we need to be on top of that and be prosecuting it. Regardless of what we think of India’s actions on Canadian soil.
Without fear, or favour.
Certainly. But like any crime it’s then a matter of it police have enough evidence to make charges stick? Being a Sikh separatist is not a crime in Canada. Neither is hating India. We’d need our police to have sufficient evidence of an offence against our laws. Probably not an easy thing with these networks.
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Some fact checking is never a bad thing, so read the following article with a critical eye (it’s Indian), but follow the story back to when Justin’s father was PM, and you can see why India has an issue with Canada, especially when you look back far enough to when Indira Gandhi asked Pierre Trudeau in 1982 for help to address Khalistani terrorist-related activities based in Canada, a couple of years before her assassination in 1984 by Sikh bodyguards and murder of over 300 Canadians in the Air India 182 bombing. One of the two Canadians charged then acquitted in the Air India Flight 182 bombing, Ajaib Singh Bagri, was briefed to Trudeau by Gandhi as one of the Canadians supporting Khalistani terrorism, particularly in support of Canadian Sikh Talwinder Singh Parmar, founder of the Canadian wing of Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)
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India had notable concerns about the competency of Canada’s investigation into AI 182’s bombing. Concerns that Canadian retired-Chief Justice John Major confirmed in his review of Canada’s investigation. It was not a good look on the GoC/RCMP/CSIS of the day, which many take to be material to the eventual acquittal of Rupidamen Singh Malek and Ajaib Singh Bagri in the bombing.
Again, this doesn’t justify legally another state conducting operations to kill Canadian citizens on Canadian soil, but when you follow this right back to the early 80s, where one Commonwealth PM (Indira Gandhi) asked another Commonwealth PM (Pierre Trudeau) for assistance, was refused and dies at the hands of those who remain a terrorist threat today, it isn’t a stretch to understand why India acts as it does.
A tale of two Trudeaus and Canada's mollycoddling of Khalistani terror
During a meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Modi expressed concerns about the anti-India activities of Khalistanis in Canada. Trudeau defended the Khalistanis, refusing to acknowledge the problem and stating that his country will...
India had notable concerns about the competency of Canada’s investigation into AI 182’s bombing. Concerns that Canadian retired-Chief Justice John Major confirmed in his review of Canada’s investigation. It was not a good look on the GoC/RCMP/CSIS of the day, which many take to be material to the eventual acquittal of Rupidamen Singh Malek and Ajaib Singh Bagri in the bombing.
Again, this doesn’t justify legally another state conducting operations to kill Canadian citizens on Canadian soil, but when you follow this right back to the early 80s, where one Commonwealth PM (Indira Gandhi) asked another Commonwealth PM (Pierre Trudeau) for assistance, was refused and dies at the hands of those who remain a terrorist threat today, it isn’t a stretch to understand why India acts as it does.
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At the end of the day, the cardinal rule of extrajudicial killings is not leaving evidence, especially in a foreign country.Some fact checking is never a bad thing, so read the following article with a critical eye (it’s Indian), but follow the story back to when Justin’s father was PM, and you can see why India has an issue with Canada, especially when you look back far enough to when Indira Gandhi asked Pierre Trudeau in 1982 for help to address Khalistani terrorist-related activities based in Canada, a couple of years before her assassination in 1984 by Sikh bodyguards and murder of over 300 Canadians in the Air India 182 bombing. One of the two Canadians charged then acquitted in the Air India Flight 182 bombing, Ajaib Singh Bagri, was briefed to Trudeau by Gandhi as one of the Canadians supporting Khalistani terrorism, particularly in support of Canadian Sikh Talwinder Singh Parmar, founder of the Canadian wing of Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)
A tale of two Trudeaus and Canada's mollycoddling of Khalistani terror
During a meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Modi expressed concerns about the anti-India activities of Khalistanis in Canada. Trudeau defended the Khalistanis, refusing to acknowledge the problem and stating that his country will...
India had notable concerns about the competency of Canada’s investigation into AI 182’s bombing. Concerns that Canadian retired-Chief Justice John Major confirmed in his review of Canada’s investigation. It was not a good look on the GoC/RCMP/CSIS of the day, which many take to be material to the eventual acquittal of Rupidamen Singh Malek and Ajaib Singh Bagri in the bombing.
Again, this doesn’t justify legally another state conducting operations to kill Canadian citizens on Canadian soil, but when you follow this right back to the early 80s, where one Commonwealth PM (Indira Gandhi) asked another Commonwealth PM (Pierre Trudeau) for assistance, was refused and dies at the hands of those who remain a terrorist threat today, it isn’t a stretch to understand why India acts as it does.
India fucked that one up.
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We're in an awkward if not difficult to impossible position just now. The government relies on the NDP for support, and the NDP leader is at least sympathetic to the notion of Khalistan.
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Even without that, assuming no Canadian law has been broken, the same "difficult to impossible" situation pertains. The Canadian government has a duty to tell foreign powers to pound sand as far as non-terrorist separatist etc. organizations operating legally in Canada.
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Fair... except Canada has a habit of not going after "peaceful" organizations in Canada, with direct ties to terror organizations in other nations.
We don't help our cause when we avoid angering the "ethnic" vote by allowing people here to fund terror elsewhere.
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Echoes of the IRA and our southern neighbour.
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It also has a duty to conduct as professional as possible an investigation of Canadians who conduct murderous terrorist attacks on or originating from Canadian soil, so that prosecution of the terrorists is successful.
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In this case you and Quadrapiper are both correct.
We failed both ourselves and our neighbors.
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…and by ignoring the threat between when Indira Gandhi asked for Pierre Trudeau’s help in 1982 to deal with Khalistani terrorists and the day of June 23, 1985, we particularly failed those 329 passengers and crew who died mid-air hours after departing the ironically-named Pierre Trudeau International Airport.
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Pierre Trudeau failed both Canada and India by not taking the threats to India and to us seriously.
actually nobody on our side comes off looking particularly good.
Not Trudeau nor his successors in office neither whom took it seriously or attempted understood it.
Not the RCMP and CSIS who were unable to pull their collective heads out their collective rectal channels .
There was violence in BC directly tied to the various separatist movements . A former Federal Cabinet minister and journalist was assaulted and almost killed in a beating.
These guys blew a fucking airliner to piece's and still the Government in Canada in all it's wisdom still viewed this as somebody's else problem.
In spite of the fact that most of those killed were Canadian.
The trial was a joke watching the protectors of our National Security who were busily engaged in what amounted to a dick measuring contest .
As well one of those agencies couldn't or wouldn't understand their purpose in the whole process. The destruction of vitally needed evidence was act of utter....( I'm trying, perhaps not successfully to froth at the mouth at this point. )
Later on we had an unsuccessful assassination attempt at an Indian Cabinet minister on Canadian soil.
Can I ask why we're actually surprised by any of this ?
Actually I am pretty there are a couple of reasons why this occurring now.
Mohdi is an Hindu ultra nationalist who simply doesn't care what we think .
That's because unlike the Americans we can't do anything that might even mildly disturb them .
We on the other hand simply refuse to understand how the world really works .
I suspect that the final straw probably came about because of that Gong show of a visit to India.
The inclusion of someone who's basically a walking insult to the Government of India inside your official party
Add the the usual virtue signalling that Canadian politicians are now famous for.
It probably didn't help that it must have blatantly obvious that this wasn't a state visit. This was a political campaign gimmick in order show what a great and powerful world leader our Prime Minister is.
The only message the Indian Government could take from this was "IN YOUR FACE".
We are now seeing the end result of almost 40 years of failure in law enforcement, intelligence ,and diplomacy.
It has cost Canadian lives and some of that on our very soil at the hands of what's supposed to one of our friends.
One can only shudder at the possibilities if it had been one of our possible opponents.
actually nobody on our side comes off looking particularly good.
Not Trudeau nor his successors in office neither whom took it seriously or attempted understood it.
Not the RCMP and CSIS who were unable to pull their collective heads out their collective rectal channels .
There was violence in BC directly tied to the various separatist movements . A former Federal Cabinet minister and journalist was assaulted and almost killed in a beating.
These guys blew a fucking airliner to piece's and still the Government in Canada in all it's wisdom still viewed this as somebody's else problem.
In spite of the fact that most of those killed were Canadian.
The trial was a joke watching the protectors of our National Security who were busily engaged in what amounted to a dick measuring contest .
As well one of those agencies couldn't or wouldn't understand their purpose in the whole process. The destruction of vitally needed evidence was act of utter....( I'm trying, perhaps not successfully to froth at the mouth at this point. )
Later on we had an unsuccessful assassination attempt at an Indian Cabinet minister on Canadian soil.
Can I ask why we're actually surprised by any of this ?
Actually I am pretty there are a couple of reasons why this occurring now.
Mohdi is an Hindu ultra nationalist who simply doesn't care what we think .
That's because unlike the Americans we can't do anything that might even mildly disturb them .
We on the other hand simply refuse to understand how the world really works .
I suspect that the final straw probably came about because of that Gong show of a visit to India.
The inclusion of someone who's basically a walking insult to the Government of India inside your official party
Add the the usual virtue signalling that Canadian politicians are now famous for.
It probably didn't help that it must have blatantly obvious that this wasn't a state visit. This was a political campaign gimmick in order show what a great and powerful world leader our Prime Minister is.
The only message the Indian Government could take from this was "IN YOUR FACE".
We are now seeing the end result of almost 40 years of failure in law enforcement, intelligence ,and diplomacy.
It has cost Canadian lives and some of that on our very soil at the hands of what's supposed to one of our friends.
One can only shudder at the possibilities if it had been one of our possible opponents.
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