U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[GR66]

I was the biggest proponent of buy American before you/them went and got all 51st statey on us.

I still think the best option for most things is American, simply because that sustainment tail is unbeatable. But I dont think the political or social will is there to spend money down there right now.

Your/their Prez really fucked things up. This is on the USA, not Canada.

I agree with you as I was in the same "buy America" boat for most things but I think it's important that we don't bite off our nose to spite our face.

The reality is that the defence of Canada (and North America) will always be a joint effort between Canada and the United States. Close cooperation and interoperability with the US will continue to be important factors in much of our defence procurement - especially in the Air and Naval side of things. Even on the Army side of things any expeditionary conflict we get in will likely have a major US involvement.

Regardless of who's kit we decide to buy we should always make the effort to do so as joint ventures with at least key components (if not full product) production in Canada where possible and volumes, etc. make sense.

So long as Canada is a credible partner in the joint defence of North America the US would have absolutely zero incentive to in any way to do anything to reduce our military effectiveness in being able to help defend themselves.

As far as Europe is concerned - we have forces deployed there with plans to be able to surge more forces in the case of conflict. How many European countries have plans in place to deploy forces to Canada to defend our territory in case of hostilities?

 

[RangerRay]

I was the biggest proponent of buy American before you/them went and got all 51st statey on us.

I still think the best option for most things is American, simply because that sustainment tail is unbeatable. But I dont think the political or social will is there to spend money down there right now.

Your/their Prez really fucked things up. This is on the USA, not Canada.

I agree 100%.

Having said that, I don’t favour reopening our current projects (e.g. F-35, P-8, etc.). We should be focusing our new desire to diversify on future projects where we haven’t already chosen a platform.

 

[Remius]

The US remains the most stable and powerful country on the planet despite the out of control media narratives acting like the end of the world because American's exercised democracy and elected someone outside the establishment.

Powerful yes. Stable not so much. Whims seem to change daily. We can’t count on TACO always being in effect.

Logistics is one of the most important aspects of a successful military. Extending supply chains into the unknowns with countries probably less aligned to Canada's interests isn't the play many think it is. Sure some from the EU or SK, but most from the US.

Stable supply chains. The US is increasingly looking to be isolationist. American First does not include Canada.

The only thing the 51st state rhetoric achieved was showing how insecure Canadians are. Canada is in the position it is because of Canada and Canadians.

Anti Canadian sentiment. Sorry but that is just what it is. And now that Canada is poised to actually do something about it the response is to rely even more on the US?

If anything Canadians seem to be very secure in their position that they don’t want to be the 51st state and won’t accept being insulted by what they thought was a friendly country. While we can deride the elbows up silliness the fact is that the boycott of US products and tourism is having an effect and is sticking. One that will likely take a generation to fix.

The world is in fact dangerous with adversarial players doing bad things, Canadians are resentful because their safety blanket got pulled back and they are forced to make choices they hoped the US would keep making for them: free social programs vs security/defence. It turns out security/defence are super expensive and it's unfair to expect someone else to do it for you forever.

Correct. But with that comes the opportunity to look elsewhere and diversify. The US is retreating in on itself. We are not part of their plan beyond the NA context.

In this period of global uncertainty (which is every period since the dawn of humans), to counter the major threats (Russia/China/Iran/NK) the most pragmatic move is food/resource/defence security and tighter unity of the North American continent while remaining aligned with the EU and other commonwealth of nations. Personalities, egos, media narratives, and special interests are making that difficult.

We had tight unity of the NA continent with the best free trade arrangement in the world. The US is throwing that away. Not us. We have to adapt to that reality.

Golden dome? NORAD? Yes and yes. Everything else though is up to us. The US should no longer be seen as a friend but as someone with interests that may align with us and that could very well change their interests to our detriment. Like any other country.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Watching America turn off equipment supplied to Ukraine when Trump took power indicates to me for the higher tech equipment we shouldn’t be buying American. I don’t like others having that type of control over our goods.

Especially considering from a national security standpoint the US is and always has been the largest existential threat to Canada.

 

[Remius]

Trump raises the price for Canada’s inclusion in the Golden Dome defence system

Canada will need to pay US$71 billion to be included in the Golden Dome defence system, U.S. President Donald Trump revealed.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[PrairieFella]

Trump raises the price for Canada’s inclusion in the Golden Dome defence system

Canada will need to pay US$71 billion to be included in the Golden Dome defence system, U.S. President Donald Trump revealed.

www.ctvnews.ca

Thanks but no thanks

 

[QV]

Watching America turn off equipment supplied to Ukraine when Trump took power indicates to me for the higher tech equipment we shouldn’t be buying American. I don’t like others having that type of control over our goods.

Especially considering from a national security standpoint the US is and always has been the largest existential threat to Canada.

List me a country that is more aligned with Canadian interests than the US.

Then list a country who supplies major military hardware that couldn't/wouldn't turn it off if your use isn't aligned with their interests.

You'd just be going from sub-optimal to worse.