Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization

[OldSolduer]

The ‘82 pattern webbing was inexcusable as it was just a different take on the ‘64.
The grommet/hook attachment method was brain dead as fuck. As the plastic hooks constantly sheared - and grommets ripped out making the belt N/S. Plus the tab method of closure - sure the nylon tabs where robust enough (albiet small and awkward) but the plastic loop again cracked and made the pouch N/S

The coat hanger frame ruck was another travesty from the ‘82 pattern project.

I preferred my 82 Pattern over the tac vests. Even with the grommet/hook issues. Zip ties can fix a lot.

 

[markppcli]

I preferred my 82 Pattern over the tac vests. Even with the grommet/hook issues. Zip ties can fix a lot.

If they’d just made 82 pattern covered in Molle we’d be in a much better place. Mind you the issue with 82 was that for some reason we decided that regardless of how it was supposed to be used, the but pack would be attached at all times.

 

[KevinB]

Honestly by the time the TV showed itself the DHTC Patrol Vest and Chest Rigs could have been issued to everyone… For less money as well.

 

[MilEME09]

It was a nice idea.

Get us pack howitzers again, and you are good to go. Seriously we are way to symmetrical of a force. Our kit needs to reflect the diversity of our missions as well. Tac vests need to be customized to the user. Have a generic load out for BMQ but then leave it upto individual units and trades to decide their own lay out. A vehicle tech doesn't need the same vest layout as a Grenedier

 

[daftandbarmy]

Back to my rant about gear...

It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, as when I first joined, I was issued the 1951 pattern webbing (lucky me), as the '64 pattern was fucking terrible (curious if they dug the guy who did that up so he could fuckup the Tac Vest), and there wasn't enough '82 pattern to go around (which was also terrible executed with the velcro and the plastic hooks).

One example of better than plain Jane Cordura Nylon is BlueForce Gear's Ultra Comp - they license it to a lot of other gear companies FWIW.

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It only took the British about 20 years to get this stuff right. And I think they still use both chest rigs and web gear for different applications

Personal Load Carrying Equipment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[markppcli]

It only took the British about 20 years to get this stuff right. And I think they still use both chest rigs and web gear for different applications

Personal Load Carrying Equipment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They now get issued Virtus, which includes the body armour and webbing.

 

[daftandbarmy]

They now get issued Virtus, which includes the body armour and webbing.

OK, that's pretty awesome IMHO.

 

[markppcli]

OK, that's pretty awesome IMHO.

I rate the current British set up really highly. The armour offers frag protection while not being overly restrictive, it gives good options for load bearing both with and without armour.

 

[OceanBonfire]

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The new base layer system starts the modernization of CAF operational clothing! The new system provides performance and comfort and made of 4 different weights…

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Trials completed on 6 June:

More than 100 Canadian Army (CA) members and 25 Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) members, half of them women, from various occupations participated in this trial to evaluate the operational effectiveness of this clothing system in various operational settings, helping to provide realistic and applicable feedback for future designs. The trial was broken into two phases:

· a cold weather trial from January to March 2024
· a warm weather trial from March to June 2024

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#MatNewsGroup - On June 6th, 2024, the Canadian Combat Uniform Ensemble (CCUE) user trials have ended at Canadian Forces Base Petawawa, marking an important…

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See kit pictures - there is a chest rig, a plate carrier and a battle belt. The gloves are also fantastic, being developed in concert with Kombi. Merino wool liner, multiple systems that fit together etc. Overall very much heartening stuff.

In CADPAT-MT:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1037469434722950

 

[dangerboy]

The chest rig is not part of SOCEM, it is the ISSP vest. SOCEM is waiting for the DICE (Dismounted Infantry Combat Enhancement) project to deliver load carriage and use lessons learned from that project for when it looks at the load carriage.