In 1975 many of the Sgts and WOs were trained by Korean and WW2 Vets....therefore the attachment to the "old ways". Just an observation from someone who was there in 1975. Which makes me a dinosaur
The sandbags are representative of a simple 20 kg load. For the Army, it could represent a real sand bag, ammo, water cans or rations. For the Navy, ropes or rum. For the Air Force, luggage at the hotel.
You joke, but the airline definition of “heavy bag” is 53lb, or about 22-ish kg.
Of the tasks, the drag is the one that arguably can be changed. The “fireman carry” isn’t what we do - and what we do doesn’t make sense because it takes both arms, negating the use of a weapon. You would drag the casualty using the Handle By their neck.
Taller and larger people tend to have that evened out in the dashes. Simply takes longer to get down and up.
Absolutely it would. Nonetheless, fitness is both an individual and leadership responsibility regardless.
Dressing professional builds team work and cohesion, it also keeps safety at the forefront of our minds. Wear a suit and tie to welding shop and go to work, see how that goes for ya.
The boys in 1 RCHA when they deployed C Bty to Afghanistan in 2001 may have asked for more walking training, Walking with a heavy load is the basic fundamentals of what Soldiers can and will do. Up and down the mountain.
It doesn't and that is why the fitness test needs to be better served to each element, then each sub element. Unless you compare dragging a fuel line across the tarmac to fuel the jet, lifting tries/ brake assemblies or the best one is contort your hand, lower arm, and upper arm inside of a small space and use your pinky and thumb to screw a nut onto a bolt. Don't worry these big forearms that can lift sandbags all day dont fit so not my problem.
It is until it isnt. each element and each trade within has their own actual requirements. The basics can be said, the overall day to day jobs are not very universal for most.
Maybe lower then a Infantry standard in cardio and weight, most Techs need more dexterity and hand stamina along with hand eye coordination close up then others. There are other trades in similar. Having big arms and legs are detrimental in some cases.
Not applicable at all in my opinion. But crawling around on knees, lifting overhead, finger and forearm use are more important. Unless your a Weapons guy then get to the gym and lift heavy.
you might need to drag a pilot or crew out of a wreck. But in that case it isnt as simple of a drag requires skill and strength to make it go properly.
Anyone can run to the bunker when required, or hide behind the big army tanky looking thing.
They usually use a fork lift, or other apparatus. Work smarter not harder. When all else fails sorry gotta fix that jet so can you do that.
I’ll simply refer you to my post 25 minutes ago. You’re out to lunch about what physical tasks anyone in any military environment may have to do. The point of lifting sandbags isn’t to assess literally lifting bags of sand.Dressing professional builds team work and cohesion, it also keeps safety at the forefront of our minds. Wear a suit and tie to welding shop and go to work, see how that goes for ya.
The boys in 1 RCHA when they deployed C Bty to Afghanistan in 2001 may have asked for more walking training, Walking with a heavy load is the basic fundamentals of what Soldiers can and will do. Up and down the mountain.
It doesn't and that is why the fitness test needs to be better served to each element, then each sub element. Unless you compare dragging a fuel line across the tarmac to fuel the jet, lifting tries/ brake assemblies or the best one is contort your hand, lower arm, and upper arm inside of a small space and use your pinky and thumb to screw a nut onto a bolt. Don't worry these big forearms that can lift sandbags all day dont fit so not my problem.
It is until it isnt. each element and each trade within has their own actual requirements. The basics can be said, the overall day to day jobs are not very universal for most.
Maybe lower then a Infantry standard in cardio and weight, most Techs need more dexterity and hand stamina along with hand eye coordination close up then others. There are other trades in similar. Having big arms and legs are detrimental in some cases.
Not applicable at all in my opinion. But crawling around on knees, lifting overhead, finger and forearm use are more important. Unless your a Weapons guy then get to the gym and lift heavy.
you might need to drag a pilot or crew out of a wreck. But in that case it isnt as simple of a drag requires skill and strength to make it go properly.
Anyone can run to the bunker when required, or hide behind the big army tanky looking thing.
They usually use a fork lift, or other apparatus. Work smarter not harder. When all else fails sorry gotta fix that jet so can you do that.
As for the loss of KIWI polish, it sucks. I still polish my boots and iron my uniform and stay clean shaven to this day for work.
I know for Young men and women joining Cadets, getting a good shine on your boots was one of the first a sense of accomplishments you could make.
Kiwi polish is part of the water repellency of leather boots so there goes that one.
They usually use a fork lift, or other apparatus. Work smarter not harder. When all else fails sorry gotta fix that jet so can you do that.
I recall that when I did my Command Team course that the CDS Guidance to Commanding Officers made it a hard requirement to allow for PT during work hours, subject, of course, to operational requirements. But, at what point do "operational requirements" (the catch all for any reason to cancel something, with PT always being close to the top of that list) result in your personnel becoming unfit to the point that they can no longer meet those requirements?
One of the big advantages of FORCE over EXPRES and BFT is that it is gender, environment and trade blind. As MJP mentioned, L1s can impose their own higher standard but the one that will be tabled as a minimum in a human rights challenge or grievance where someone's career is on the line will be the FORCE test or Common Military Tasks test, not some made up local test regime.
I don't think lifting sand bags has anything to do with most jobs in the Military. Unless most of your job is going to be lifting sand bags into the back of truck. It is strength test that looks miliartarish nothing more. But it actually has little to do with most job aspects if that is what the physical test is suppose to do to rate fitness.
Are you trying to re-rail a derailed thread? Good luck with that!
Dude, we finally managed to successfully take just one thread OFF of dress and deportment instead of reverting something else to it. Just embrace it.
