Stupidest policies and rules in the CF
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The incidents that I remeber off the top of my head where a troop was beaten; one occured in Calgary in the 50s, or maybe early 60s at the military prison. One of the troops backtalked one of the Staff Sergeants, and got beaten across the head with a drill cane so hard that it cracked his skull and he ended up in the hospital for several months.
Another involved a troop who was caught stealing (wainwright?). His coursemates, at the instruction of their staff broke his hand for the infraction.
In both cases, I don‘t recall there being any consequences for the offenders. In any case, I‘m not trying to get into a debate about the "old days" vs today, I‘m just trying to add a little perspective. Perhaps back in the old days that we tend to venerate so highly were just as flawed, but in different ways. Society changes, and so must we.
Another involved a troop who was caught stealing (wainwright?). His coursemates, at the instruction of their staff broke his hand for the infraction.
In both cases, I don‘t recall there being any consequences for the offenders. In any case, I‘m not trying to get into a debate about the "old days" vs today, I‘m just trying to add a little perspective. Perhaps back in the old days that we tend to venerate so highly were just as flawed, but in different ways. Society changes, and so must we.
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I second that Infanteer. CHEERS
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-Two easy ways of avoiding both of those is....don‘t backtalk your superiors and dont steal from your fellow soldiers...or anyone for that matter...if you don‘t have the common decency(sp?) to go out and buy it yourself you don‘t deserve to have it at all...actually that guy had it easy i guess in India if you steal a loaf of bread you get your arm chopped off at the elbow
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Well, there is no excuse for violence in either case, but one does have a bit of sympathy for the staff sergeant in the first example, and the theft victims in the second. I think we‘ve all seen soldiers who just "didn‘t get it" when it came to sass. I‘m not recommending a fractured skull - I think if an NCO has to resort to hitting, he‘s not capable of doing his job effectively and has to resort to brutality.
But I would suggest that these stories stand out as exceptions to the rule; even in the dark old days of the 1940s, beating a subordinate was not encouraged or, I would suggest, even condoned as a matter of policy. I think Art and others "who were there" would likely agree.
Combat_Medic, are you changing your story from "a severe beating" to a single blow in anger across the head? One is as bad as the other, but what you describe here seems more easily...understandable(?)....than the inferences you would have had us draw on page 1.
But I would suggest that these stories stand out as exceptions to the rule; even in the dark old days of the 1940s, beating a subordinate was not encouraged or, I would suggest, even condoned as a matter of policy. I think Art and others "who were there" would likely agree.
Combat_Medic, are you changing your story from "a severe beating" to a single blow in anger across the head? One is as bad as the other, but what you describe here seems more easily...understandable(?)....than the inferences you would have had us draw on page 1.
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Michael: I would consider a basal skull fracture to constitute a "severe beating". The troop nearly lost his life and ended up hospitalized for months. I don‘t know if it was a single blow or multiple blows, but in any case, he was still nearly beaten to death.
Also, there were no punishments for the people who were responsible for the assaults. I would consider the inaction in response to those incidents to be condoning the behaviour. If there was no reprimand or charges, then the authorities stated very clearly that what happened wasn‘t wrong, or even discouraged. Perhaps these are exceptions, and I can‘t say either way because I haven‘t been in long enough to draw a comparison, but standing from the outside looking in, it seems like these incidents show a casual disregard at best for physical violence as punishment, and at worst an unofficial support.
I agree that there are often troops who just don‘t understand, but I still don‘t consider that grounds for nearly killing them.
Again, I wasn‘t there and didn‘t see these events happen. They are second hand and 40 years old, but they ARE examples of NCOs using beatings as a disciplinary tool, in which their actions were either conveniently ignored or condoned.
Also, there were no punishments for the people who were responsible for the assaults. I would consider the inaction in response to those incidents to be condoning the behaviour. If there was no reprimand or charges, then the authorities stated very clearly that what happened wasn‘t wrong, or even discouraged. Perhaps these are exceptions, and I can‘t say either way because I haven‘t been in long enough to draw a comparison, but standing from the outside looking in, it seems like these incidents show a casual disregard at best for physical violence as punishment, and at worst an unofficial support.
I agree that there are often troops who just don‘t understand, but I still don‘t consider that grounds for nearly killing them.
Again, I wasn‘t there and didn‘t see these events happen. They are second hand and 40 years old, but they ARE examples of NCOs using beatings as a disciplinary tool, in which their actions were either conveniently ignored or condoned.
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