testing

[keener]

i know someone who recently had a few too many at a party and smoked some pot. they are going to BT very soon. do they do drug testing in the CF... at basic training or otherwise? just concerned for my friend. thanks for the insight.

 

[cheechue]

They don‘t do any drug testing while you are on course...Drug testing is done during the medical when they hire you.

 

[keener]

we had a medical already.. my question is .. will we have another one on enrollment day, or during BT, or is that it. thanks for the reply :warstory:
PS my friend is by no means a pothead. he just got drunk at a party and now most likly has marajuana in his system from that night.

 

[typhoon85]

Tell your friend that they do do a drug test at the start of BT so he gets all scared and stops being a dumba$$. I don‘t know if they went over this at your interview but they have a 0 tolerance level for that.

 

[keener]

i completely understand that we have a 0 tolerance for it... and with dam good reason. i appreciate your point and it is very well taken.

 

[Jungle]

Drug testing can be done AT ANY TIME while serving in the CF, without warning. There are random drug tests done regularly, even on BT.

 

[Fader]

On my basic, 8 guys smoked up every time they went to town after 6 weeks and never got caught. Nobody seemed to care to tell you the truth.

On my 3‘s, a bunch of the guys in my course wuold go to Montreal on the weekends and smoke up. A friend of mine told me how a week before he came on course, he was stopped in a car with a bunch of his friends by a cop, and how he ate half a ziplock bag of pot so as to not get caught.

The lesson being, if you‘re gonna smoke up or consume drugs, do it on you‘re own time, don‘t get caught, and if you‘re not taking part in it turn a blind eye.

 

[sgtdixon]

In reply to CFL_Lui

I may have no room to speak on this issue as I just this morning (morning being 2 am here) sent in my application and recruitment papers but allow me to retort;
I do not condone Ratting anyone out unless they are A) a Threat to you
B) A Threat to your unit
however the option of a blind eye is why our Army is falling into such a state of Dis-Repair, The Mandarins in Ottawa and the Brass in the Tower of Power have let this problem go on too long. Drug use is TOTALLY UN-ACCEPTABLE in the Canadian Armed Forces be you a pilot or a grunt, you should not AT ANY TIME engage in the use of illegal narcotics. Shure you can say the US gives there pilots Meth-Amphetimines but we dont, as well we dont kill our allies while on drugs.
Im just ranting now but bear with me, On Alcohol i fell that a drink or two with the b‘ys after a hard day or after you have all your course homework done is ok, but if you are out every weekend getting so drunk that Rosie O‘Donald looks good then you have reached another dangerous.
My Father gave me an amazing point to remember for my career; Stay the **** of the SM‘s Parade Square and if your gonna Hoot with the Owls you better be able to soar with the Eagles come fall in monday morning. CFL_Lui your lack of commitment to see a Zer0 tolerance policy to fruition is abohorrent at the least. I may just be a Cadet with 6yrs in and a SI course or two under my belt but i know that when your representing the Canadian People, putting on the clean uniform for the queen you should not as well represent the rastafarian movement. Those who use drugs in the Forces should be delt swiftly and surely in order to eradicate this plague from our armed forces. Pot and Weapon Systems :fifty: are a Bad Mutha-Fuc**** mix

Just my Two cents
I know im gonna pay for this and im gonna be flamed but it had to be said

 

[Jarnhamar]

Turning a blind eye is how people get killed. Real smart.


I don‘t think people realise how many people in the canadian army use drugs. Even so called harmless drugs like pot or extacy.

I would say that the army should start doing more testing for drugs and kick out all offenders BUT thats kind of hippocritical of me because while i have never touched drugs in my life, i do drink and i honestly think alcohol is just as bad if not worse than ‘harmless drugs‘.

Whatever the case may be, the minute anything actually effects someones job i think they should be seriously punished.

 

[Fader]

On basic, buddy sleeping across my bunk was an 6‘4, 220lbs football player. Me, I‘m a 5‘11, 170lbs Chinese guy who can run like the wind, but that‘s all. If buddy goes and smokes pot every weekend, and I‘m convinced he can and probably would beat the crap out of me with relative ease for pissing him off, do you think I‘m gonna rat him out?

The last day of my 3‘s, after the grad parade, half the course is drunk or stoned, many of whom are in groups of 4-5. All of them fly home in 6 hours. Again, do you think I‘m gonna rat them out? I actually did, and if not for the fact that I propped a bed against my door, duct taped the windows shut, and had a flight that was 4 hours after thiers, I‘m pretty sure the filthy ravers I ratted out to the duty NCO would have broken in and made sure my last night in Kingston was one to remember.

I guess I paid the price for that one in the end, those idiots tore the shacks to pieces. Shaving cream, vomit, and liquor bottles everywhere, beds blocking hallways, pizza boxes and stacks upon stacks of porno mags in the laundry room. Some Sgt walked in just as I came out from my room, and screamed out "CLEAN THIS **** HOLE UP TROOPS." That was awesome, considering that I just about missed my flight home.

 

[Etown]

I would say that the army should start doing more testing for drugs and kick out all offenders BUT thats kind of hippocritical of me because while i have never touched drugs in my life, i do drink and i honestly think alcohol is just as bad if not worse than ‘harmless drugs‘.

I can‘t say that I disagree with the fact that alcohol can be just as bad as some drugs, but there is a large difference between alcohol and any narcotic. Alcohol is a natural byproduct of any decomposing plant life and was a common part of the human diet even before we realized that distiling it and drinking it could be fun too. Because of this reality the human body is capable of dealing with reasonable amounts of alcohol in a fairly quick manner (a matter of hours), while products like THC or MDMA will remain in the body for months even with a very small dose. Now there really hasn‘t been a whole lot of research into the effects of these chemicals floating about the human body, but I‘m willing to bet that they are not as harmless as they might seem. I know from my personal experience that these drugs don‘t go away just because the high is gone, these chemicals remain active in the body until they are flushed out.

I have however never experienced an alcohol "flashback" despite the few extreme drinking adventures. In fact the major lingering effect of alcohol (the hangover) is pure dehydration, something most endurance athletes can tell you feels exactly the same as a hangover.

Now let me make it clear that a whole other set of rules come into play when we are talking about chronic alcohol abuse and I think here is where the real danger of alcohol lies. Since drinking is a legal and socially acceptable practice, it becomes very difficult to determine where the line between indulging and abusing exists.

So my point? Stay off the drugs, they make you stupid and dangerous despite what you might think (really can you trust your own judgement while you‘re on drugs).

 

[Jarnhamar]

And by ignoring their stupidity the same senario will play itself out over and over.
Maybe next time though they will be drunk or high and tasked with driving troops around or on a range with live ammo.
I know it‘s easy to sit on the net and preach right and wrong when things in real life are very different so thats a little unfair but people like that piss me off regardless. When they step on their di*ks and someone gets hurt, 9 times out of 10 its not them it‘s someone else.

 

[Etown]

Oh yeah, Keener, give your friend a kick in the *** for me. If he‘s smart he‘ll thank you later.

And good luck on BT (to both of you).

 

[keener]

it is very important that soldiers be extreemly focused, alert, and vigilant. if i see my fellow soldiers smoking up, it is my responsibility to inform my superiors for the good and safety of the army. the stories outlined above are very disappointing, and that danerous and illegal behaviour has no place in our army. i want to be the best soldier i can, and i will make friends with people who are serious about the privilage of being a soldier in the Canadian army. we handle firearms.