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The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

zipperhead_cop said:
And for that matter, where are the native members of this site in this discussion?  I would love to see them give their two cents worth, or are they afraid of being labeled "apples"?
uuhhh, that would be me. Mommy is a squaw. Or at least, mostly. Daddy has some tepee-creepin' in his background. Makes me about 1/4 - 2/3 Indian. Card-carrying Metis, and fiercely proud of it. My family fought on both sides of the Riel Rebellion.
 
paracowboy said:
uuhhh, that would be me. Mommy is a squaw. Or at least, mostly. Daddy has some tepee-creepin' in his background. Makes me about 1/4 - 2/3 Indian. Card-carrying Metis, and fiercely proud of it. My family fought on both sides of the Riel Rebellion.

I stand suitably informed.  Then thank you for your credible views.  :salute:
 
My question is how many native's have been arrested since this crap started in Caledonia?
 
vonGarvin said:
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Levee en masse:
"The levée en masse is defined as taking place against foreign troops either invading or occupying a country, restricting the definition to one involving national self-defense. It refers especially to situations in which the populace spontaneously takes up what weapons it has and, without having time to organize, resists the invasion."
OK, so it's not an invasion by foreign troops.....but....

How about just a steak and lobster fest followed by oodles of beer?
I'm in vonGarvin...I mean if you think that steak and lobster will work I'm there, lmao and I could go a beer or two too  ;)

HL
 
paracowboy said:
uuhhh, that would be me. Mommy is a squaw. Or at least, mostly. Daddy has some tepee-creepin' in his background. Makes me about 1/4 - 2/3 Indian. Card-carrying Metis, and fiercely proud of it. My family fought on both sides of the Riel Rebellion.
Well I understand that I have Micmac roots somewhere along the lines...supposedly 1/16...no card though...course I am Acadian too so (could have a card for that) there's a mix for ya and that's only one side  ;)

HL
 
Well, the incident to which I referred finally made some press:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060610/caledonia_conflict_060611/20060611?hub=TopStories

U.S. agents swarmed in Caledonia dispute: policeUpdated Sun. Jun. 11 2006 2:46 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Ontario Provincial Police are looking for seven First Nations residents who face a number of serious charges in the ongoing Caledonia land dispute, including attempted murder, forcible confinement and robbery.

Police issued arrest warrants Saturday in connection with several violent clashes, including one incident Friday where a U.S. Border Patrol vehicle was stolen and driven toward an OPP officer.

Const. Doug Graham said the officer was injured as he was pulled out of the speeding vehicle's path. He was treated and released.

The stolen vehicle was recovered but no arrests were made.

Graham said angry native protestors had surrounded the U.S. Border Patrol vehicle, then dragged out the three passengers who were inside.

"They were forcibly removed after they were swarmed," he said.

U.S. Border Patrol officers were in the area to observe how OPP were handling the standoff.

"Often, police officials work together and share information, and that group was here observing how we were using our police resources during this incident," Graham said.

Other charges expected to be laid against the suspects include theft of a motor vehicle, intimidation and assault causing bodily harm.

The following individuals are being sought by police:

Albert Douglas, 30, of Ohsweken, Ont., faces charges of attempted murder, theft of a motor vehicle, dangerous driving, assaulting a police officer, forcible confinement, robbery and two counts of breaching his bail;
Trevor Miller, 30, of no fixed address, faces charges of robbery and theft of motor vehicle;
Audra Ann Taillefer, 45, of Victoria, B.C., faces charges of robbery and two counts of intimidation;
Skylar Williams, 22, of Ohsweken, faces one charge of robbery;
Arnold Douglas, 61, of Ohsweken, faces two counts of intimidation;
Ken Hill, 47, of Ohsweken, faces two counts of assault; and
An arrest warrant is pending for one male suspect on a charge of assault causing bodily harm.
The swarming incident was just one of several disputes Friday that are related to charges.

About 300 angry Caledonia residents confronted riot police to protest police inaction after two Hamilton TV news cameramen were injured by aboriginals.

One victim who needed stitches to close a gash on his head said police stood by and did nothing during the assault.

Police said more charges will be laid in connection to an incident Friday where an elderly couple was hassled by native protestors.

Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer said she had a difficult time believing police would stand idly by during the attacks.

"Any of the OPP officers that I know, they wouldn't have let that happen," Trainer told CH News.

"They wouldn't have let those seniors be harassed like that, and they wouldn't have let those cameramen be beat up -- I know they wouldn't. So I don't know what was wrong with those few that were there."

Police said more charges will be laid in connection to an incident Friday where an elderly couple was confronted by native protestors.

Deputy OPP commissioner Maurice Pilon also had a hard time believing the claim.

"I find it difficult to accept that our officers are not engaging when they need to," he said.

Pilon said police are working with Six Nations officers to find the suspects.

"I must point out that some of these people that we're seeking warrants for are not from this area and I don't know if they're still in the area," he told reporters.

In a statement Saturday, the Six Nations Confederacy said they are a peaceful people and don't condone violence.

"The actions which occurred at the Six Nations reclamation site and within the town of Caledonia today are very disheartening," the statement said.

"Our prayers and concern are with those who were injured during the outbreaks today. A peaceful co-existence with our neighbours and the safety of all remain at the paramount of our concerns."

The individuals involved in the incidents have been removed from the site until the Six Nations complete its own investigation, the statement said.

The confederacy said it's committed to working with the OPP to "de-escalate" the tense situation.

The violent disputes are the latest in the 104-day standoff.

Gen. Rick Hillier, Canada's chief of defence staff for the Canadian Forces, said he doesn't expect the military to get involved in the dispute any time soon.

"We believe that's a police operation, and every conversation we've ever had with police forces is that this is their business," Hillier said.

"Getting this thing right is the way to approach it."

Critics are blaming the Ipperwash standoff for the reluctant police action on unruly protestors.

During that dispute, aboriginal protestor Dudley George was shot and killed by a police bullet in 1995.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has taken fire from opponents who say he is not providing any direction to police in dealing with the Caledonia protestors.

McGuinty says a peaceful solution is within reach.

In recent weeks the situation has been tense, as both the aboriginal protesters and non-aboriginal residents have demanded the end of the occupation.

The protesters are trying to prevent construction of a housing development on land they claim as their own, and have vowed to stay on the site until there is a resolution to the dispute.

Protesters argue that the site of the Douglas Creek Estates housing project was part of a large land grant back in 1784, but the provincial and federal governments insist the land was surrendered in 1841 to help build a major highway.


By god I am sick of these arseholes being refered to as "protesters".  You would think actual protesters would take offence at being lumped in with these anarchists. 

So by peaceful solution, McGuinty will probably throw money at the native criminals and stand by to see most of the criminal charges get tossed once the media attention goes away. 
So now we get to look like tools to all of the American policing agencies on top of this.  Fantastic. 

If this land was given back in 1841 to the Province, would there not be some sort of paper work for that kind of thing?  And if it was so unfairly taken back, why the Christ did this issue not surface in the 165 years following?  I'm not being rhetorical.  I would really love to hear some sort of answer to that.
 
Mud Recce Man said:
My question is how many native's have been arrested since this crap started in Caledonia?

As an aside, in one of the newscasts that was on today, they talked about the fact the OPP was "in negotiations" with the Six Nations Police Force in order to arrest those charged. 

I should add that after seeing the video on a couple of occasions and the hearing the comments from the cameramen, there needs to be a formal inquiry into this.  The OPP was standing right there with their thumbs up their asses, allowed the assault and the theft to take place and it was actually a lone Caledonia resident who stepped in to pull the cameraman out of the group of attackers.

There is no excuse for this....none.


Matthew. 
 
Okay, I stand to see footage of anyone with a thumb in their ass.  ^-^
You guys don't get it.  They are ORDERED not to do anything.  I wouldn't be surprised if the native criminals shot a guy and the officers on scene (the real ones, not the native puppets) were not allowed to do anything.  I have friends that have been/are there, and they are beyond enraged at the crap that they are having to endure.  Gwen Bonniface is a disgrace, and would not know leadership if it was tattooed on her arm. 
Given the level of cover up with Ken Deane's JUSTIFIED SHOOTING of Dudley George, please understand that politicians at all levels in Canada and Ontario are (for some reason beyond sanity) terrified to take on the native issue.  I guess if they did, and used the righteous force needed to take down the barricades, when the native criminals opened up with automatic weapons and ordinance they would have to admit that they have no control over these lawless yahoo's.  Pretty hard to keep your head jammed in your arse when a pile of 5.56 and link is found after the dust settles. 
Political molly coddling, pure and simple.  Please take a minute and remember who to blame.....
 
ZC,

Don't get me wrong, I believe the heart of the problem is the politicians who have tied the police's hands (most likely with severe penalties for not following orders having been made abundantly clear).  My point is that we have to get to whomever is calling the shots and get this straightened out.  Allowing such behaviour will only embolden these pricks to push harder next time because they believe they can get away with it.


Matthew.  :salute:
 
I had no idea police officers could be ordered to NOT enforce the Criminal Code of Canada.  Who ironic is THAT?

 
Mud Recce Man said:
I had no idea police officers could be ordered to NOT enforce the Criminal Code of Canada.  Who ironic is THAT?

Pathetic but true.  The only place in the CCC that indicates that we SHALL arrest someone is where a warrant for their arrest exists.  Everything else is a "may".  Just pretend that the OPP are on a circa 1990's "peacekeeping" mission.  Stand by and watch unbelievable acts because your ROE are so toothless. 

Blackshirt, I agree with you 100%.  However, the issue that has to be straightened out is how do we overcome our "white mans guilt" and start dealing with criminals as just that; criminals?  For the police, it is fairly straight forward.  For the politicians, since they only exist in the media in so far as they can bad mouth another one, taking this issue on is a huge undertaking.  Once the country can get past its collective WMG, you might see lots of problems being sorted out in a credible manner.  Until then, white, christian males are at fault for everything on the entire planet from about 1000 years ago until the time this post appears, and well after as well.  I hope you aren't one.  I for one feel terrible for everything my ilk and I are responsible for.  ::)
 
See attached article from today:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/11/caledonia-police.html

Caledonia suspects may be holed up on reserve
Last Updated Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:13:42 EDT
CBC News

Police are seeking seven suspects on Sunday as aboriginal leaders denounce several violent incidents in a southern Ontario town that is the site of a three-month standoff in a land-claim dispute.
 
The seven — who were mostly local aboriginal protesters but included a woman from Victoria — have left a native-led occupation at a housing development near Caledonia, CBC reporter John Northcott said from the site.

The violent incidents, which occurred Friday, were the latest to break out since protesters from the Six Nations of the Grand River Territory reserve near Brantford occupied a construction site on Feb. 28, saying the subdivision was being built on land that belongs to them.

Native leaders said Six Nations police were helping the Ontario Provincial Police track down the seven suspects.

"Reading between the lines, there's a pretty good possibility they're on the reserve" and the Ontario Provincial Police are negotiating their surrender, Northcott said.

The OPP have a protocol not to enter the reserve, he said.


Among the allegations, one of the suspects is accused of stealing a police vehicle on Friday night and using it in an alleged attempt to run down an officer, who was injured.

The OPP said the suspects were being sought on charges that include attempted murder, assault, forcible confinement, motor vehicle theft, robbery, intimidation and assault causing bodily harm.

Tempers in the dispute seemed to have cooled of late as the provincial and federal governments negotiated with native leaders — until the flareup on Friday.

"The OPP investigated three violent altercations that took place within an hour of each other in the south end of Caledonia," Ontario Provincial Police Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon said Saturday.

The Six Nations Confederacy said the suspects were known to them and had been asked to stay away from the occupation at the construction site for the Douglas Creek Estates.

Police alleged car stolen, nearly runs down officer

In one incident, U.S. Border Patrol officers who were visiting the area to observe how provincial police were handling the standoff were swarmed by people, who pulled them out out of the car and drove off.

"An OPP officer [was] deliberately driven at by the stolen vehicle. Other officers at the scene, fortunately, pulled him to safety," Pilon said.

"The officer was hurt but treated and released. The car was recovered."

In another clash, demonstrators surrounded the car of an elderly couple who were visiting from Simcoe, Ont.

Camera operators say they were assaulted

In a third dispute, two camera operators from the Hamilton-based CH Television alleged that native protesters attacked them and demanded their video footage as they tried to talk to the couple.

"One [camera operator] was swarmed, assaulted and had his camera stolen," Pilon said.

Debbie Walker, a managing producer at CH Television, said one of the camera operators was taken to hospital with cuts and bruises to his head. Nick Garbutt needed a couple of stitches to close a head wound.
 
His colleague, Ken MacKay, suffered minor injuries after he was kicked and punched.

The incidents spurred an angry response from townspeople, who gathered by the hundred to form an angry crowd that demanded police crack down on the native protesters.

Native leaders from the Six Nations Confederacy — also known as the Haudenosaunee — condemned the alleged incidents, saying they found them "disheartening."

"The Haudenosaunee are a people of peace and do not condone violence of any form," the confederacy said in a statement issued on Saturday.

'The Haudenosaunee are a people of peace and do not condone violence of any form.'
-Six Nations Confederacy"Our prayers and concern are with those who were injured during the outbreaks today. A peaceful co-existence with our neighbours and the safety of all remain at the paramount of our concerns."

The group also said the incidents were "reflective of the misjudgment and reactions of a limited few."

"The individuals who were involved in these incidents have been removed from the reclamation site [in Caledonia] until our investigation is complete."

The protesters are arguing that the Douglas Creek Estate is being built on part of the 380,000-hectare tract of land along the region's Grand River, granted to the Six Nations in 1784. The protesters say the building site was apparently leased — but never officially transferred — to non-natives.

Six Nations have filed a land claims over much of the area. The claims are "based mainly on alleged failure to receive proper compensation for the lands surrendered to the Crown or otherwise alienated," a federal government website says.
 
nice protocol to not enter the Reserve.  Man, I feel for the OPP now, having their hands tied and NOT being allowed to arrest criminals.

Zip, good comparison.

Mud
 
Anyone else think this sounds a little like a PLO insincere condemnation?

'The Haudenosaunee are a people of peace and do not condone violence of any form.'
-Six Nations Confederacy"Our prayers and concern are with those who were injured during the outbreaks today. A peaceful co-existence with our neighbours and the safety of all remain at the paramount of our concerns."


The key point on the issue of entering the reserve is that it is only a protocol.  A courtesy extended to the native police under the assumption that they will uphold the law the same way as everywhere else in the province.  By law, they can go in whenever they want.  In reality, they never will because of the lack of political will to take on what would ensue [see above posted prediction].  Dont forget to take a few minutes and thank the people who brought you this embarrasment:
 
I think I could replace those people with a couple of target balloons and not see much difference.

Scarey part is..I believe the people of that area WILL eventually get tired of inaction by the Province and OPP and take it upon themselves to end this..one way or the other.  Everyone has a breaking point.

Not to mention the damage (that will probably never be righted) between relations between the 2 communities.

 
Mud Recce Man said:
Not to mention the damage (that will probably never be righted) between relations between the 2 communities.

Yup.  And don't think in the aftermath of this, when townsfolk see native criminals driving around on their stolen ATV's, and bragging about their victory, they won't remember for a long time.  So when the natives don't get hired at the local businesses, or aren't so very welcome at the local bars or community centers, they will use that as a justification for their actions, claiming "see, they were racist all along.  They never would have given us a fair shake on the land.  We did what we had to do".  And guess what?  They'll do it again.  If not here, then where ever a successful development or confirmed mineral/resource deposit appears near a reserve.  If you were a native, why wouldn't you?  Open rebellion, no law but the law of mob mentality, take anything you want from anyone whose skin is too lightly shaded.  Zero concerns of reprisals, even from your own laughingly named native "police".  Good times!
 
sigh

too bad, if it was handled right at the beginning...hind sight eh?  its always 20/20.

I equate this to the mindset of "if I close my eyes the monster under the bed will not be there" on the part of the Province.  Like...someway it will all just go away and Happy Happy Joy Joy will return.

 
"In a statement Saturday, the Six Nations Confederacy said they are a peaceful people and don't condone violence."
    Tee hee....

"The individuals involved in the incidents have been removed from the site until the Six Nations complete its own investigation, the statement said".

;D


I've got my opinions on this matter, and by no means am I an expert but......white man's guilt is prohibiting me from commenting in earnest.
 
Mud Recce Man said:
I think he meant more the "how the thing is being handled", or something.

We'll see. 

In the mean time, things might be starting to get interesting.  I won't publish the whole article, but a few selected tid bits...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/12062006/2/national-ontario-s-premier-calls-talks-caledonia-violent-skirmishes.html

Ontario's premier calls off talks in Caledonia over violent skirmishes
Members of the Six Nations Confederacy - the traditional leadership, rather than the elected council - said they have no plans to surrender the wanted men to police.
Confederacy Chief Allen McNaughton told the Hamilton Spectator any attempt to seize the suspects could spark trouble. "I don't think so," McNaughton said when asked if the suspects might be handed over.

McGuinty said negotiations would resume only when the barricades at the disputed site in Caledonia, Ont., come down, and if aboriginals co-operate with the police investigation into the incidents from the weekend.
"We have just about exhausted our goodwill and our patience," McGuinty said.
Asked what he'll do if the barricades don't soon come down, McGuinty simply answered: "We'll see."


OOOO!! Who is going to blink first?  Elderly folk being tossed around makes for some pretty dismal footage come election time.  But you can bet this is going to be a gun fight if it keeps on the way it is and the barricades are forced down. 
The important thing is that they won't be meeting until Thursday, so there will be plenty of time to mass weapons, ammo and willing terrorists if it looks like the native free-for-all is going to be shut down. 
Y'all watch out for brooms now!  ::)
 
A concealed carry law in Ontario would probably go a long ways to helping people restrain themselves.
 
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