The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Cloud Cover]

It does seem odd to permit ownership of a functioning TOW launcher regardless of whether munitions are lawful to possess.

On the other hand, they do seem to be banning weapons that could be used in a rebellion.

 

[blacktriangle]

I kind of wonder what's next though. The gun thing will only buy them votes for so long, and then they will need something else. I'm assuming it will be something environmental, but even that won't be it. I worry that since "property" doesn't seem to matter much in Canada, that we could one day see some drastic re-distribution of wealth "for the good of society" (AKA votes)

 

[GAP]

With the PM appearing daily giving humungus gifts of cash, solicitation and good cheer, delivering on his election promise of 2015, there will be an election call ASAP, depending on the CoVid19 stats......

 

[Cloud Cover]

Not much will change for him in al Western Canada, as this pandemic lifts the economic carnage is going to be brutal and his policies make it much worse.

 

[MilEME09]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=538035560216267&id=1036846836425359

Oh look our PM lying about gun control plans

As well,

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-29.html#h-117787

Regulations

117.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council may make regulations prescribing anything that by this Part is to be or may be prescribed.

Marginal note:Restriction

(2) In making regulations, the Governor in Council may not prescribe any thing to be a prohibited firearm, a restricted firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or prohibited ammunition if, in the opinion of the Governor in Council, the thing to be prescribed is reasonable for use in Canada for hunting or sporting purposes.

Marginal note:Non-restricted firearm

(3) Despite the definitions prohibited firearm and restricted firearm in subsection 84(1), a firearm that is prescribed to be a non-restricted firearm is deemed not to be a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm.

Marginal note:Restricted firearm

(4) Despite the definition prohibited firearm in subsection 84(1), a firearm that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm is deemed not to be a prohibited firearm.

Is this ban illegal then by using a OIC?

 

[FJAG]

Normal Boot v Military Style Assault Boot

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10223557259504920&set=gm.1332585443594845&type=3&theater&ifg=1

;D

 

[dimsum]

Normal Boot v Military Style Assault Boot

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10223557259504920&set=gm.1332585443594845&type=3&theater&ifg=1

;D

I mean, I wouldn't mind having the "normal" boot for DEU instead of the Oxfords or parade boots.  The Australian Defence Force issues black RM Williams boots and they look great.

 

[FJAG]

I mean, I wouldn't mind having the "normal" boot for DEU instead of the Oxfords or parade boots.  The Australian Defence Force issues black RM Williams boots and they look great.

Them suckers is pricey. I hope the ADF gets a bulk rate.

;D

 

[Cloud Cover]

Blundstone combat boots?

 

[AbdullahD]

Anyone have any more information regarding the UCP of Albertas possibility of establishing their own CFO and having a more common sense gun rights province?

If so, they may have a BC refugee in short order.

Thanks guys, I tried googling but only found one article..
Abdullah

 

[dimsum]

Blundstone combat boots?

Same idea, but RMs are a lot nicer quality.  However, they're double (or triple) the price of Blundstones.

Blundstones in Australia are the boots you see tradesmen (city service workers, construction, etc) wear.

 

[MilEME09]

Anyone have any more information regarding the UCP of Albertas possibility of establishing their own CFO and having a more common sense gun rights province?

If so, they may have a BC refugee in short order.

Thanks guys, I tried googling but only found one article..
Abdullah

He hasn't given any details yet, if he does, expect them this week. However firearms are a federal program so I don't know how much Alberta can do.

 

[AbdullahD]

He hasn't given any details yet, if he does, expect them this week. However firearms are a federal program so I don't know how much Alberta can do.

Yeah, I am curious to how it plays out.. I do not understand how The Liberals expect to make handguns a municipal issue, when firearms are federally regulated. It could make for some interesting back door applications of any new laws... or more effective defence of our current situation etc.

Far to many scenarios for me to hazard a guess, my little head is going insane trying to figure out how this will all play out.

Thanks for the insight though
Abdullah

 

[mariomike]

make handguns a municipal issue,

The municipality can only limit gun range locations.

 

[Stoker]

They announced that they are apparently going after pinned magazines now and bringing in ammunition restrictions. Looks like they're going all in. I wonder will it be the amount of ammo you can buy or are they going after reloading?

 

[Haggis]

Yeah, I am curious to how it plays out.. I do not understand how The Liberals expect to make handguns a municipal issue, when firearms are federally regulated. It could make for some interesting back door applications of any new laws... or more effective defence of our current situation etc.

My expectation is that the Firearms Act will be amended to allow municipalities to declare "handgun prohibition zones" where the possession, storage and use will be prohibited.  Some provinces will push back, notably ON, MB and the PM has said that there are tools available to force recalcitrant provinces to comply.  He will use those.  He will not accept challenges to a key plank in his election platform.  If certain provinces fail to play along, then a national handgun ban will probably be imposed.

 

[Good2Golf]

Haggis, when you say Forearms Act expected to be amended, am I tracking correctly that this would take a Parliamentary bill to amend the act, since it is federal legislation?  As others have noted, this would require all good Liberals to come to the aid of the party and put themselves on record as to which side of the line they are, which may be a short-term gain, but longer-term (read, next election, whenever that is) pain for the LPC of it dilutes their brand in regions where firearms aren’t thought of as evil?

 

[Haggis]

Exactly.

The PM has said that he will pursue further measures once Parliament is back sitting again and the pandemic has eased or passed.

The votes on the the buyback spending bill and the amendments to the Firearms Act will be whipped, of course, and the NDP and Bloc will probably support both.

This leaves the Conservatives between a rock and a hard place.  If they support the buyback spending bill they may be seen as throwing gun owners under the bus. If they oppose it and it and it fails, the Liberals may opt for straight up confiscation without compensation.

 

[lenaitch]

Yeah, I am curious to how it plays out.. I do not understand how The Liberals expect to make handguns a municipal issue, when firearms are federally regulated. It could make for some interesting back door applications of any new laws... or more effective defence of our current situation etc.

Far to many scenarios for me to hazard a guess, my little head is going insane trying to figure out how this will all play out.

Thanks for the insight though
Abdullah

As am I.  Introduced Bills are usually accompanied by a Justice Department analysis that includes a statement on Constitutional impact.  I'm neither a lawyer or Constitutional expert, but it would interesting to see how they would view such a Bill in view of Section 15.  I can envision an argument of 'geographic discrimination'.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The only real option for gun owners is to recoup some of the money they spent on the now prohibited firearms. And recoup the money they spent on the rest of the semi-automatic rifles and shotguns and pistols that will soon be banned.

Trudeau is untouchable. He can sexually assault, black face, intimidate and ethically violate himself from BC to Newfound land and back again and no one can do shit about it. Not enough people want to do shit about it. SNC shows us he doesn't care for rules or the law and gets what he wants.  But the SNC jobs. Liberals estimate the banning of these firearms will cost over 33,000 Canadians their jobs. What better timing than in the middle of a pandemic? Those jobs won't even be noticed.

Even with all the strategic voting bu Green and NDP voters the conservatives still won the most votes, but that doesn't matter.
What matters is Quebec and Toronto. It's going to take something catastrophic to turn Quebec away from Liberal promises and shake the downtown Toronto core away from them.

The Liberals didn't even read the petition for firearm owners that racked up 120K or 150K signatures. They simply don't care.

Gun owners can expect the minimal amount of outrage from the conservative party. They know they're largely seen as the only option for gun owners (who see firearm ownership/rights as a priority) but they won't really do much. Just like they didn't during their consecutive time in power.

I bet the Liberals are counting on non compliance (just like the massive non compliance in New Zealand).
First it paints gun owners as criminals (which tens of thousands of us technically are now) and second, the less prohibited guns Canadians turn in the less money the Liberals have to fork over.