Booter
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That’s actually apparently crazy hard.
The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
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OldSolduer
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It already is but I am sure you all are aware what lawyers and judges can do to law.
Halifax Tar
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Uh oh...
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Seems like it would be rather easy to overload the RCMP with paperwork on this. Bob sells his firearm to Ted. Ted sells his firearm to Nick. Nick sells his firearm back to Bob. Repeat....
They can't even process license renewals before your license expires as it is now
They can't even process license renewals before your license expires as it is now
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I'm on PAL 6 or 7 right now. I never had any long waits. About a two week turnaround. This year, my PAL expired while the application was in process. The whole thing took 6 or 7 months.
Savvy gun owners already see a way around this new registration. They are going to make a mockery of this new registry. They will get next to zero participation from gun owners on this. Even less than the last time they tried. There's millions of NR long guns out there that have never been captured. There will still be millions of unregistered NR long guns out there on the 14th of May and for years to come.
Registration = Confiscation
Socialist governments, like trudeau's, don't confiscate firearms to keep society safe. They confiscate firearms to keep themselves safe from society.
Savvy gun owners already see a way around this new registration. They are going to make a mockery of this new registry. They will get next to zero participation from gun owners on this. Even less than the last time they tried. There's millions of NR long guns out there that have never been captured. There will still be millions of unregistered NR long guns out there on the 14th of May and for years to come.
Registration = Confiscation
Socialist governments, like trudeau's, don't confiscate firearms to keep society safe. They confiscate firearms to keep themselves safe from society.
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Its only overload if they actually cared about the result. It doesn’t matter to them if transfers take 2 hours, 2 days, or 2 years.
If anything the less convenient the process is the better it is from the governments perspective as it discourages firearms ownership.
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I watched the Public Safety minister's announcement of the implementation of the "not-a-long-gun-registry" registry. It was nauseating to watch how he pandered to the special interest groups in the room who support the Liberal's disarmament agenda. It was also evident when he was talking about "assault-style" firearms that Le Dauphin has taught him well.
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"We've made this decision in conjunction with our stakeholders."
What stakeholders? Poly Souvent? Wendy Cukier? Coalition for Gun Control, Doctors 4 Gun Safety, Doctors For Protection from Guns? I'm pretty sure the CCFR and the CSSA weren't invited to the table.
Haggis
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You can take that to the bank. Poly, CD4PG, CFGC number in the tens to maybe hundreds of members. The radical fringe minority comprised of CCFR, CSSA, NFA, SFC, OFAH, IPSC Canada etc., number in the hundreds of thousands. But who gets government money to work on gun issues? Not the fringe.
The loudest ones, which are loudest because the media parrots them and gives legal gun owners no air time at all.
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I agree with the premise of requiring sellers to confirm that a buyer has a valid firearms license. I would also support keeping records of whom firearms are sold to and who is in possession of them if it weren't for the threat of sweeping firearm confiscations.
I won't knock others for having a different opinion but personally I'd be more than happy to let the government know how many guns I have and what types if I was confident it wouldn't be used against me.
I won't knock others for having a different opinion but personally I'd be more than happy to let the government know how many guns I have and what types if I was confident it wouldn't be used against me.
That's precisely the problem. Not only do they expect regular joe gun owner to verify your pal is valid they also expect them to check your drivers license to verify you are who you say you are.
If someone presents fake credentials how is regular joe gun owner to tell? Then when a crime is committed with that gun joe will be charged for improperly selling a firearm and his life ruined because he didn't notice the fake credentials.
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Exactly my feelings.
But then I see what a certain sect of my fellow firearms owners post and and hear them express their positions and I shake my head.
Some members of our community are our worst enemies.
Haggis
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This right here.
You can't claim to be law abiding if you subscribe to the "cold, dead hands" mentality.
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I’d offer that the NICS down here offers pretty much was is needed in terms of a check.
4473 forms need to be filled out with new sales, and the dealer retains the record of that.
NICS is only aware you where checked - not what you may have bought (for non NFA weapons).
4473’s stay with the dealers unless the business surrenders it’s FFL, then the ATF gets it.
Now in Virginia the VA State Police are also notified of what you are buying - many states have those sort of reporting/record keeping criteria.
4473 forms need to be filled out with new sales, and the dealer retains the record of that.
NICS is only aware you where checked - not what you may have bought (for non NFA weapons).
4473’s stay with the dealers unless the business surrenders it’s FFL, then the ATF gets it.
Now in Virginia the VA State Police are also notified of what you are buying - many states have those sort of reporting/record keeping criteria.
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I actually think our licensing should be more difficult. And should incorporate practical competence for range safety and marksmanship.
I also don't mind a registration as long as it's free and won't be used as a confiscation tool.
Also punishments for dangerous misuse of a firearm should come with automatic life time bans of legal ownership.
All me and elitist if you want but I remember my PAL and RPAL courses... There were definitely some folks who I wouldn't want to share space with if there were firearms about.
I also don't mind a registration as long as it's free and won't be used as a confiscation tool.
Also punishments for dangerous misuse of a firearm should come with automatic life time bans of legal ownership.
All me and elitist if you want but I remember my PAL and RPAL courses... There were definitely some folks who I wouldn't want to share space with if there were firearms about.
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I would not use the term difficult -- I would use the term safe, and practical...
I don't mind registration in theory - however, generally it has been used poorly in most countries in the past.
I think the punishment needs to fit the crime, the fact remains that Canada's Legal gun owners aren't the issue -- all the gun laws in Canada do is piss off law abiding owners. Canada already lets some folks who shouldn't have guns, have guns for sustenance reasons, despite they are habitual offenders, and then the government uses those stats again the law abiding crowd.
I can honestly say that about a majority of LE and Mil folks - who theoretically have passed an "intensive" firearms training course(s).
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