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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

Wasn't meant as a crack about anyplace in particular.

Just something I remember from a long time ago. "I'd rather be a lamp post in ( insert town ), than mayor of ( insert town ). :)
 
CBH99 said:
Actually, I DO hope they bring a screwdriver to a gunfight.

Go try to rob a store or do something where the police respond to an incident & make contact with the suspect. Wave the gun around, do something stupid that communicates a threat to the police or a nearby citizen.


One less idiot. No real potential harm to anybody other than himself.

And a vast majority of the population would fully understand and support the officer’s actions as being reasonable.
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Kinda where I was going. If you're idiot enough to bring a screwdriver that looks like a Who Framed Roger Rabbit prop gun into conflict with 5-O, well that's just idiot control, eventually they'll thin themselves out from the herd.
 
Kat Stevens said:
Kinda where I was going. If you're idiot enough to bring a screwdriver that looks like a Who Framed Roger Rabbit prop gun into conflict with 5-O, well that's just idiot control, eventually they'll thin themselves out from the herd.
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I keep waiting for all these stupid people to accidentally off themselves to society’s pleasant surprise, but they are still around… 😕
 
A friend who works in the Canadian firearms industry told me last week that the Ontario CFO is currently processing individual transfer requests received on June 1st, 2022. Public Safety Canada has told the CSAAA that any transfer received but not process when the "freeze" drops will still go through.

Given the government's somewhat underhanded and unforecasted legal handgun import ban, what I expect to see is a reversal from Public Safety Canada. I predict that when the freeze come into force is that any transfer not yet finalized will be voided, thus placing ownership into limbo. Those handguns will then be forfeited to the government as they no longer have a registered owner. They can the claim that the "freeze has already taken XXXX unregistered handguns off our streets".

No, I don't trust them to act with integrity on this file.
 
Haggis said:
... I predict that when the freeze come into force is that any transfer not yet finalized will be voided, thus placing ownership into limbo. Those handguns will then be forfeited to the government as they no longer have a registered owner. They can the claim that the "freeze has already taken XXXX unregistered handguns off our streets" ...
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How at least part of the narrative gets made, right there.
 
That is one of the most sinisterly creative initiatives I’ve heard in quite some time - and I believe every darn word of it.

The only people currently on the streets with handguns are police officers & criminals. Law abiding citizens don’t bring their firearms to the streets for the government to take off the streets, criminals do.

Someone did remember to tell the criminals that there is now a handgun ban, right? Riiiggghhhtttt…?
 
Haggis said:
A friend who works in the Canadian firearms industry told me last week that the Ontario CFO is currently processing individual transfer requests received on June 1st, 2022. Public Safety Canada has told the CSAAA that any transfer received but not process when the "freeze" drops will still go through.

Given the government's somewhat underhanded and unforecasted legal handgun import ban, what I expect to see is a reversal from Public Safety Canada. I predict that when the freeze come into force is that any transfer not yet finalized will be voided, thus placing ownership into limbo. Those handguns will then be forfeited to the government as they no longer have a registered owner. They can the claim that the "freeze has already taken XXXX unregistered handguns off our streets".

No, I don't trust them to act with integrity on this file.
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They did the same during 12.6 prohibition.
I bought a Glock23 that was transferred to me as I had a 12.6 handguns prior.
However it had come into the country after 12.6 was announced and the registration certificate was recinded - and I was given the option to turn the pistol in to the government or sell it to a business that could either use it as a prop gun, or deactivate it.
 
Halifax Tar said:
I'm sure the soccer moms, and latte dads of Markham feel much safer now.
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A quick surf through the subject Twitter page shows that almost every handgun shown (and I only scrolled back to the end of May 2022) was already prohibited by regulation. The Twitter page doesn't identify if those not prohibited were illegally possessed.

#wearenottheproblem
 
KevinB said:
They did the same during 12.6 prohibition.
I bought a Glock23 that was transferred to me as I had a 12.6 handguns prior.
However it had come into the country after 12.6 was announced and the registration certificate was rescinded - and I was given the option to turn the pistol in to the government or sell it to a business that could either use it as a prop gun, or deactivate it.
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Old tricks are the best trick, eh?
 
Kind of an interesting one; some resident geniuses in Calgary 3D printing guns. I'm assuming they have some stock components for the barrels etc that are still metal.

Cue the reactionaries that want to further restrict things, vice simply enforcing existing laws that already make this illegal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-police-3d-printed-guns-shootings-1.6562076

3D gun printing operation busted in Calgary, police lay dozens of charges​

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Officers have seized 1,229 firearms this year as city shooting incidents spike​

CBC News · Posted: Aug 25, 2022 12:38 PM MT | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

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Acting Staff Sgt. Ben Lawson displays some of the 3D printed guns seized this year by Calgary police at a news conference on Thursday. (Rebecca Kelly/CBC)


Calgary police have laid 66 charges against two men who they believe were 3D printing and trafficking guns in the city.

Last week, Brandon Vincent-Wagner, 24, and Justin Kumar, 27, were arrested and charged with multiple counts related to unlawful production, trafficking and possession of firearms following a police investigation that started in November 2020.

"3D printed firearms are a growing trend that we are working to address through targeted enforcement," said Acting Staff Sgt. Ben Lawson at a Thursday news conference.

So far this year, the Calgary Police Service has seized 1,229 firearms. More than 300 were crime guns: firearms that were used in crimes or unlawfully stored or possessed.

Nine per cent of the crime guns seized this year were homemade or 3D printed firearms. Police say that is a significant increase compared with previous years. Lawson said that in 2020, when the firearms investigative unit was founded, police seized one or two homemade guns, while this year they seized about 15.


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Calgary police say the number of 3D printed or homemade guns they've seized this year is on the rise compared with previous years. (Rebecca Kelly/CBC)
On Wednesday, the province announced it will provide $5.2 million in grants to support programs that prevent crime and keep communities safe. The announcement came as Calgary has seen an uptick in gun violence over the past weeks.

There have been 97 shootings in the city so far this year, almost double of what it saw by this time in 2021, according to police.

3D printed guns a global problem, CPS says​

Lawson said 3D firearms function in the same way that regular guns do, and the increased use and production of 3D printed guns is a global problem. While the officer said it's not necessarily easy to obtain 3D printed firearms, some materials needed to make them are not difficult to buy, including a 3D printer and the necessary filament.

Drawings needed to make 3D printed firearms are also more common now online, Lawson said.

"They used to be all only on the dark web because it was more of a nefarious activity. And now in lots of countries where you can legally print your own private firearm … which is illegal in Canada, it is becoming more prevalent to obtain those types of documents on the internet," he said.

The investigation into Vincent-Wagner and Kumar's firearm production operation included a search in May of residences in the 2600 block of Dover Ridge Drive S.E. and the 4300 block of Seton Drive S.E., according to a Thursday news release.


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Lawson says the increased use and production of 3D printed guns is a global problem. (Rebecca Kelly/CBC)
Officers seized several items from the search, including three 3D printers, five complete 3D printed Glock-style handguns with magazines, other firearm parts, ammunition and drugs.

Through forensic analysis, police have linked a separate 3D printed firearm seized this May to the Vincent-Wagner and Kumar's firearm production operation, the release said.

Vincent-Wagner and Kumar are set to appear in court late next month.
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Yesterday, IPSC Ontario sent out a good breakdown of what's required today to take your legally owned Canadian-registered handgun OUTCAN for competitions and, more importantly, to bring it back to Canada. In short, you now need to jump through additional hoops to obtain an import permit to bring your handgun back into Canada. The process is relatively easy and quick (for now) and will add about $20 to your overall match costs. But, one must plan ahead and have all their ducks in a row before applying.
 
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