The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[OldSolduer]

LILLEY: Carney misses mark on gun buy-back, spends foolishly on pet project​

The government is going to contact every gun owner (heh) and provide information about surrendering their guns to the police.

Except most police departments don't seem interested and are refusing to be a part.

Maybe the government can get the military to collect the firearms? Threaten to cancel the pay raise if they don't take part.

GoC can take a flying f@ck at a rolling donut on this one.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Respectfully, I disagree.

I think the number of CPC voters he would gain from scrapping this (and/or changing laws/policies to be more pro-gun) would pale in comparison to the number of LPC voters he would lose to the Bloq and/or NDP.

How many of you CPC voters would vote liberal if the only thing he did differently from what he is doing is make gun ownership easier?

Right now I think Carney is mostly making the right moves forward.

If he drops the gun control nonsense it might actually make me vote differently. As it stands I refuse to vote for a government that scapegoats and criminalizes me for simply owning property.

 

[Haggis]

Right now I think Carney is mostly making the right moves forward.

If he drops the gun control nonsense it might actually make me vote differently. As it stands I refuse to vote for a government that scapegoats and criminalizes me for simply owning property.

Clearly, you didn't watch the Public Safety announcement yesterday.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If he drops the gun control nonsense it might actually make me vote differently. As it stands I refuse to vote for a government that scapegoats and criminalizes me for simply owning property.

Even if he does a 180 for now, a future LPC government - and certainly there will be some - will change it right back. Anyone who is a pro-gun single issue voter would be a sucker to ever vote LPC.

 

[Lumber]

I would refuse that order and take what comes. Consider me conscientious objector like those that wouldn't take the jab.

You don't even need to be a conscientious objector; you just have to not want to get shot by some nut job who absolutely refuses to give up their guns and shoots you for trying.

 

[KevinB]

Well one way to trigger a US invasion would be to send the CAF to get people’s guns.
Heck it wouldn’t even be by DoD initially.

 

[Haggis]

You don't even need to be a conscientious objector; you just have to not want to get shot by some nut job who absolutely refuses to give up their guns and shoots you for trying.

It could also be the result of police going to a wrong or outdated address and encountering the wrong person based on data that was culled from old long gun registry records.

Given that there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of guns which will not be compensated for there are a lot of Canadians who are going to get screwed. There are currently 126,000 registered restricted which are now prohibs that the government knows about. Funding will cover only 152,000 firearms which means only an additional 26,000 previously unknown non-restricted firearms will be paid for. Everyone else is SOL.

 

[Fabius]

The limited funding leads me to think they are hoping secretly for mass non compliance and/or people to just Dewat their guns on their own.
That way the government doesn’t have to spend money and can just pretend this doesn’t exist.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The limited funding leads me to think they are hoping secretly for mass non compliance and/or people to just Dewat their guns on their own.
That way the government doesn’t have to spend money and can just pretend this doesn’t exist.

What if, and stay with me, what if...

The Minister for PS and his recorded interaction is all a psy-op. Carney expects this to fail and wants it to fail, so he can kill it with substantiation. And say look we tried, its just too much for nothing.

I need to get some air lol

 

[Haggis]

The limited funding leads me to think they are hoping secretly for mass non compliance and/or people to just Dewat their guns on their own.
That way the government doesn’t have to spend money and can just pretend this doesn’t exist.

Acceptable deactivation has to meet a very strict standard and it's not a DIY job in most cases as a gunsmith has to sign off on it. I read somewhere that they will reimburse deactivation up to, I think $800.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You don't even need to be a conscientious objector; you just have to not want to get shot by some nut job who absolutely refuses to give up their guns and shoots you for trying.

I would be refusing a lawful command, assuming its lawful.

 

[QV]

‘Do not enforce’: Alberta tells police to ignore Liberal gun confiscation order

Amidst criticism over the government’s looming gun confiscation program, the Alberta government is drawing a line in the sand, instructing police within its jurisdiction to focus on other priorities.

www.junonews.com

Alberta not playing ball. God bless Americ... er Alberta.


“Simply put, Alberta’s government will not be enforcing this gun grab, and we will make clear to law enforcement that this is not an enforcement priority. We expect them to focus their time and resources on real provincial policing priorities – like violent criminals, not hunters and sport shooters,” said the ministers in a joint statement.

The two ministers clarified that Alberta has already taken steps to limit the reach of the program, including blocking municipalities from creating patchwork firearms bans and requiring anyone who seizes, stores, or destroys firearms in Alberta to be licensed through the Chief Firearms Officer.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The limited funding leads me to think they are hoping secretly for mass non compliance and/or people to just Dewat their guns on their own.
That way the government doesn’t have to spend money and can just pretend this doesn’t exist.

Absolutely.

It's a perfect out for the Liberal party.

LPC "keeps" a campaign promise.
LPC saves over a billion dollars, maybe closer to 2.
Quebec is happy.
LPC voters get to giggle about CPC members being upset and losing money.
Gun owners who miss the $750m pot get pegged as criminals if they don't voluntarily destroy or turn in their guns for $0.

 

[Harris]

Just throwing this out there. You know, for info.

HQ Issue, 46.5" Gun Burial Tube

www.aztecharmory.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

Apparently they did it again...

Liberals...

 

[NavyShooter]

The website manufactured lower receivers - some of which were sold in Canada.

It's a valid make and model of AR Lower.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The website manufactured lower receivers - some of which were sold in Canada.

It's a valid make and model of AR Lower.

I stand, in DQ, corrected.

 

[KevinB]

Technically they had another party make them under a marking variance with ATF as they don’t actually make guns. They have an FFL/SOT so are legally a manufacturer, with the understanding they don’t physically manufacture them.

It was a fairly small run done, IIRC 3 or 4 different times over the years. (insurance is a hassle if you do more than 100 over a few years, and aren’t in the scale production to offset it it with volume sales).

 

[Halifax Tar]

Its called 'compromise'

If the price to be paid for getting Quebec inline for a pipeline or two, along with a LNG refinery to be built in/across Quebec is continuing to move forward on the Gun confiscation program, is that a compromise worth doing?

I have no dog in the gun confiscation fight, but if I had to pick 1 - continue as is in the previous gun ownership laws or have 2 pipelines be built across Ontario and Quebec, with one of them results in a new export driven LNG facility in Quebec and the other ending up at the Irving facility in NB - guess which one I'm going to chose to allow to happen and which I'm not.

Which of these results in a 'win' for the vast majority of Canadians and which does not? On BOTH sides there are 'losers' but which one drives the most economic gains and has the majority of Canadians behind it?

That's some impressive gymnastics.

So to get Quebec onside the rest of Canada has to give legally owned property ?

If this is where we are Canada is a failed country already.

 

[QV]

That's some impressive gymnastics.

So to get Quebec onside the rest of Canada has to give legally owned property ?

If this is where we are Canada is a failed country already.

If Quebec wants the gun confiscation so bad, then have a gun confiscation in Quebec and leave everyone else alone. Win win.