The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[suffolkowner]

Parliamentary Committee Notes: Firearms Statistics

Briefing materials

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

Firearms in Circulation [2020]​

• ~10,040,000 total (estimated)
• 1.2 M Restricted and Prohibited, most are handguns
  • 1.0M Handguns owned by 276,000 individuals
  • Acquisition exemptions proposed for:
    • 8,000 elite level sport shooters and 6,000 ATC
• 699 businesses authorized to sell restricted firearms (HGs)

rounding 1.2M-1M leaves on the order of 200000 restricted and prohibited firearms before the recent nonsense
also 10M estimated firearms in Canada by the governments own estimates

 

[Eaglelord17]

That 10m is likely on the low side, probably based off the long gun registry and all imported after it went into effect. Before the long gun registry there was a estimated 15-20m firearms in Canada. A ton of firearms were never registered in that program so I believe that to be more accurate.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The still have a web presence: Coalition for Gun Control | Make Your Voice Heard

A half baked release in January and before that, March 25. You'd think she'd be typing her little heart out with all the current shenanigans going on.

Their FB page hasn't had a post since Apr 23, mind there is only 597 followers.

I was hoping against hope they were in their death throws.

Then I looked at their X page.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039025544352645398

 

[RedFive]

That's an interesting choice of words...

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's an interesting choice of words...

I thought so too...

 

[Furniture]

That's an interesting choice of words...

Interesting often isn't positive. They may be evaluating new ways to force compliance administratively, rather than just relying on firearms owners being honest, law abiding citizens.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting often isn't positive. They may be evaluating new ways to force compliance administratively, rather than just relying on firearms owners being honest, law abiding citizens.

Lol you don't like letting us have one little glimmer of hope do you ? Lol

 

[Halifax Tar]

 

[Haggis]

Lol you don't like letting us have one little glimmer of hope do you ? Lol

They have no acutal plan for the collection (confiscation) or payment. My expectation is that they will come up short on willing volunteers from police services to staff their collection teams, which is why they said that collections will be implemented in areas with significant uptake on the program. Other areas will have to wait.

I also expect that in QC their gun registry will eventually be used to identify and confiscate guns which have not been declared.

Lastly, I also expect that any "buyback" money paid out will be taxed at source. Your expected $500 will turn out to be $440, if the cheque ever arrives.

 

[Furniture]

Lol you don't like letting us have one little glimmer of hope do you ? Lol

I prefer to be pleasantly surprised when things go well, rather than upset when they go poorly. Lol

 

[Jarnhamar]

They have no acutal plan for the collection (confiscation) or payment. My expectation is that they will come up short on willing volunteers from police services to staff their collection teams, which is why they said that collections will be implemented in areas with significant uptake on the program. Other areas will have to wait.

Hopefully there's some wicked messy protests. Make our paid-duty friends really work for their money.

I'll be surprised if they actually go through with compensation. I can see them delaying the confiscation to find different ways to force more compliance.

 

[OldSolduer]

Lastly, I also expect that any "buyback" money paid out will be taxed at source. Your expected $500 will turn out to be $440, if the cheque ever arrives.

You'll get nothing I am predicting.

Scammers they are

 

[NavyShooter]

The businesses that submitted items for destruction haven't been paid yet....why do you think individuals would get paid?

 

[Halifax Tar]

The businesses that submitted items for destruction haven't been paid yet....why do you think individuals would get paid?

I was told those in CB were paid almost instantly.

That also comes from a very pro Liberal Source. So take it for what you will.

 

[OldSolduer]

The businesses that submitted items for destruction haven't been paid yet....why do you think individuals would get paid?

Zip. Nada. Nil.

 

[Furniture]

I was told those in CB were paid almost instantly.

That also comes from a very pro Liberal Source. So take it for what you will.

Both sides are so keen to score points for their side that I don't trust a word either says.

There is a whole drama about someone only getting $500 for the AR, then they admit it was a stripped lower that was only on the list for $500...

When the collection, buy-out starts, we will maybe get some real numbers.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That 10m is likely on the low side, probably based off the long gun registry and all imported after it went into effect. Before the long gun registry there was a estimated 15-20m firearms in Canada. A ton of firearms were never registered in that program so I believe that to be more accurate.

17 million was the certified base done by the gun organization. One study placed a possible high end of 33 million legal guns, made or imported ii Canada. Most people who spent time on this issue are confident the number is somewhere in the 20+ million.

 

[Halifax Tar]

17 million was the certified base done by the gun organization. One study placed a possible high end of 33 million legal guns, made or imported ii Canada. Most people who spent time on this issue are confident the number is somewhere in the 20+ million.

I think the issue the Gov will run into isn't the pre 2020 restricted + firearms, they should already know who has them and how many are out there roughly.

Its the 1500 (?) or so models they reclassified after the NS Mass Shooting. They really have no idea how many are out here or who has them.

Overall I would say there is north of 20 million firearms in private possession in Canada.

 

[NavyShooter]

Considering the average Canadian Gun Owner from 30+ years ago probably has the following in their collection:

.22 Cooey
12 Gauge break action Shotgun
.303 Sporter from Grandpa
.410 Gauge to teach the kids
+1 nice hunting rifle with scope

And most of those owners are the ones who never registered with the original registry, many never converted from the FAC to the PAL, they probably have felt no need to do anything since this is all they have/need and they just go hunting once a year, or shoot in the hunting camp.

One of their buddies has a PAL so he buys the ammo for them.

The guns the have are reliable so they don't need to get them fixed.

I'm sure we all know a couple of them.

A 'new' firearms owner in Canada from the past 10 years or so will typically have the following in their collection:

Ruger 10/22
12 Gauge Pump Shotgun
SKS
Cooey they got from some relative for cheap
AR-180/equivalent (non-Restricted Semi-Auto .223)
Bolt Action Ruger American in .223 or 7.62x39

I know of very few gun owners that have only a single gun. They're like Pringles - once you pop, you just can't stop.

Take 2 million, multiply by 5, and you've got 10 million guns.

We all know there's more than that.

As for the 'unknown' number of formerly non-restricted now prohibited rifles of 1500+ makes/models, there is a reasonable estimate of their being almost 2 million of them.