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The Next Conservative Leader

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E.R. Campbell said:
David Parkins, in the Globe and Mail, takes stock of the CPC leadership hopefuls as they sift through the electoral wreckage:

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L to R: Jason Kenney, Tony Clement, Peter MacKay (looking on from afar), Kellie Leitch, John Baird,
Lisa Rait, Maxime Bernier and Doug Ford
Source:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorial-cartoons-for-october-2015/article26577881/

I don't see Michelle Rempel there but I think she's a possible contender.
was that Peter MacKay off in the distance?
 
If hey have any brains at all, they need to outside the box and get someone who is youthful, dynamically adept, strong willed and extremely brilliant. It is that last one that the LPC lacks in their current leader, as time will show. 
 
Colin P said:
I have to think that Harper allowed an "echo chamber" to form around him, it seemed that slowly they cut off any dissent and people voicing other opinions, got wrapped up in the strategy games and sniping their opponent. They lost the ear to the ground that would have allowed them to pick up clues from the voters.

Time spent on recce is seldom wasted ;)
 
E.R. Campbell said:
...abortion ... choice ... is a woman's right

There are two parties with direct interest in abortion.

Nobody seems willing to speak for the other.
 
David Akin, Sun News, reports that Erin O'Toole and Rona Ambrose might be interested in being the interim leader. Mr Akin reports, and I think (but I'm not at all certain that) he's right, that the party rules will make the interim leader ineligible to run for party leader, something in which I suspect Ms Ambrose is interested in doing. Candice Bergen, Michelle Rempel and Andrew Scheer are also mentioned as interim leader candidates, as are Diane Finley and Rob Nicholson. I think Ms Rempel, like Ms Ambrose is really more interested in being party leader but may be just testing the (caucus/party) waters for support.
 
I suspect more than a few are sizing up the party's prospects for the next election, considering that the prior leader will be in caucus, and deciding that they have no desire to be Stanfield to Harper's Diefenbaker.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
David Akin, Sun News, reports that Erin O'Toole and Rona Ambrose might be interested in being the interim leader. Mr Akin reports, and I think (but I'm not at all certain that) he's right, that the party rules will make the interim leader ineligible to run for party leader, something in which I suspect Ms Ambrose is interested in doing. Candice Bergen, Michelle Rempel and Andrew Scheer are also mentioned as interim leader candidates, as are Diane Finley and Rob Nicholson. I think Ms Rempel, like Ms Ambrose is really more interested in being party leader but may be just testing the (caucus/party) waters for support.

There might be valid candidates out there that are going to wait out this round of leader contention. They could come in after the next election defeat and the party would be more willing to reconstruct, rather than vie for power right away.
 
Now is the time to start, not after the next election.  The social media echo chamber is going to be almost as hard for the Liberals to endure.  It's a mistake to assume any old ideas about time and attitudes still apply.  There are lots of hands out, and not much to hand out after the honeymoon ends.

The voter's rebuke was meant for Harper, so he won't command widespread loyalty.  Any new leader with a backbone worthy of the position should by definition not worry about Harper.  All the earnest "advice" and concern trolling and hand-wringing about Harper's presence, aside from being meant to throw up FUD in the Conservatives' face and frighten them into proceeding weakly and indecisively, could equally well be empty words.  Reporters kept remarking on Harper's equanimity in the closing campaign stages and in defeat as if they expected or hoped for an outburst.  He could just as easily be an elder statesman as a distraction.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Now is the time to start, not after the next election.  The social media echo chamber is going to be almost as hard for the Liberals to endure.  It's a mistake to assume any old ideas about time and attitudes still apply.  There are lots of hands out, and not much to hand out after the honeymoon ends.

The voter's rebuke was meant for Harper, so he won't command widespread loyalty.  Any new leader with a backbone worthy of the position should by definition not worry about Harper.  All the earnest "advice" and concern trolling and hand-wringing about Harper's presence, aside from being meant to throw up FUD in the Conservatives' face and frighten them into proceeding weakly and indecisively, could equally well be empty words.  Reporters kept remarking on Harper's equanimity in the closing campaign stages and in defeat as if they expected or hoped for an outburst.  He could just as easily be an elder statesman as a distraction.


As I said a couple of days ago, the First Rule to remember is that we, the CPC, are not Liberals ... so the advice we/the CPC do not want to follow is that which flows from e.g. the Laurentian Elites and the big city chattering classes.

There are real, identifiable Canadian Conservative values and goals which can be enunciated and which can attract a good, solid, 35% to 45% of the national vote base. Conservatives don't need to wait for the Liberals to, as they inevitably have done since 1960, fall back into their old habits of cronyism and corruption. Nor do they need to disavow what Prime Minister Harper did for Canada. The voters decided that the Conservatives, but especially Prime Minister Harper, had been in power long enough (nine years); they want change. The Conservative Party can offer the change in style they are after without proposing to undo everything that was done in the past few years. Some policies and programmes (Bill C-51, for example) will change, and the CPC should not fight too hard for some of their old policies. (Getting rid of some 'monumental' projects would be a good idea, too, and one Conservatives ought not to oppose too strongly.) What Conservatives need to do is to offer most Canadians, especially those families in small cities and towns and in big-city suburbs, fresh, new, attractive policies.
 
dapaterson said:
But can they do that with Diefenbaker Harper still in the room?


That will be as hard as he makes it, for as long as he feels the need to stay "in the room."

My guess is that Prime Minister Harper wants to do two things:

    1. Set a good example by continuing to serve, for a while, to avoid the costs/fuss of another by-election; and

    2. Enjoy the privileges and immunities that being an elected MP confer ... for another year or so.


 
The Huffington Post reports that Candice Bergen will seek to be the interim leader, as will, the HP says, Diane Finley, Erin O'Toole and Rob Nicholson.

Interim leader is tricky job ... I think Bob Rae did it well for the LPC: he provided some much needed gravitas and stability while the leadership race ~ it was, really, more like a coronation procession ~ was underway. I believe the the CPC leadership race will be longer and more intense than the Liberal one in 2012/13; it will, certainly, have a much, much more talented field. The interim leader will have to maintain 'good order and discipline" in the caucus while the leadership contestants are battling each other for support; it's a job that needs diplomatic and political skills.
 
I think George Bush set a good example, never commenting on the new leader, focusing on things close to his heart.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The interim leader will have to maintain 'good order and discipline" in the caucus while the leadership contestants are battling each other for support; it's a job that needs diplomatic and political skills.

This is key.  Hopefully the CPC's frequent use of attack ads and tricks won't be used to destroy each other.  I see this with the Republican Party in the U.S.  by the time the leadership is settled they've pretty imploded.
 
The sort of "advice" which Conservatives need to ignore, in total, is the sort offered, in this column, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, by Jeffrey Simpson, unofficial spokesman for the Laurentian Elites:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/jeffrey-simpson-for-tories-a-long-list-of-difficult-questions/article27008823/
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For Tories, a long list of difficult questions

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Jeffrey Simpson
The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2015

Think about Shakespeare’s plays. The main actors are at the front of the stage delivering their lines. The audience pays attention to them, for they are the key players in the drama.

Behind them, sometimes, are arrayed various players garbed in togas, or breastplates, or peasants’ attire, or nobles’ robes. They don’t utter many lines, except for the occasional collective grunt or cheer. The audience pays them little, if any, heed.

So it will be in Canadian politics for a long time after the Oct. 19 election. Justin Trudeau’s government will be front and centre for many, many months, with Liberal dramatis personae delivering all the important lines. Conservatives and New Democrats will cluster at the rear of the political stage, grunting and muttering, with almost no one paying attention.

For the Conservatives, the former government, recognizing this forthcoming period of prolonged marginality could be a way of returning eventually to centre stage, but only if they think hard enough about why the vast majority of Canadians wanted to see their backs.

Having recently been centre stage, the Conservatives might be tempted to figure out quickly how best to return there. Nothing could be more counterproductive.

They should use their prolonged period of being marginal players to figure out what they should say when centre stage truly beckons again, because for now, and for the foreseeable future, the vast majority of Canadians don’t want to hear from or about Conservatives, so bitter is their memory of the Harper years.

Already, however, a list of former Harper cabinet ministers is being mooted, containing potential contenders. Media reports had suggested that former foreign minister John Baird was contemplating a return to politics, having declared not long ago that he was through with the game. Mercifully, he squelched that speculation.

All of the names being floated are holdovers from the Harper years. They were ministers in Harper governments. They helped frame the government’s policies – at least they did at the margin, given that so many decisions were framed by Stephen Harper. But they defended those policies. They did so in the verbally pugilistic, take-no-prisoners style so typical of the Harper party. They were, are and will be Harperites, although some will try to put some light between themselves and their past.

Leadership puts the proverbial cart before the horse. What the Conservatives need – this is the cart – is to ask themselves at length and in depth: Where did we go wrong? Was it just that we overstayed our welcome and “time for a change” defeated us?

Or was there something deeper about who we were, what we stood for, how we made decisions, how we communicated them to Canadians, how we related to other Canadian institutions such as provinces, the business community, aboriginals, the news media, officers of Parliament, the civil service, non-governmental groups?

Why were we at daggers drawn with scientists, civil servants, “experts,” journalists, the cultural community, even part of the business community (telecommunications, railroads)? Is that where we want to be as Conservatives?

How did we manage to fritter away about a fifth of the support we had secured in the 2011 election by voting day 2015? Why are we by far the least-favoured second-choice party, with the fewest number of people who would consider voting for us? Is it the correct strategy to try for a maximum of 40 per cent of the electors?

The list of questions runs much longer, and thinking through the list must take a long time. Only then will the Conservatives be ready to figure out which horse should pull the cart.

The debate must not be directed and led exclusively by Harper holdovers, because other voices might emerge. There might be sitting or former premiers. There might be someone who catches the party’s attention from among new MPs, a few of whom from Quebec had reputations beyond politics. There could be someone from outside politics, such as a lawyer and businessman named Brian Mulroney who contested the Progressive Conservative leadership in 1976. No one knows if he would have done better than the winner of that convention, Joe Clark.

The time will come when Canadians might be interested in what centre-stage Conservatives will say, but that time is far off. In the meantime, figure out the lines, rather than choosing the main actor.


Please, please, PLEASE Conservatives, ignore every single word after "Think about Shakespeare’s plays." We should, all of us, think about Shakespeare's plays more often than we do, that's good advice for one and all, but everything that follows is intended to help the Liberals, not the Conservatives.

Do not worry about why the CPC government was "at daggers drawn with scientists, civil servants, “experts,” journalists, the cultural community," those "communities" were "at daggers drawn with YOU before you turned on them.

"How did we manage to fritter away about a fifth of the support we had secured in the 2011 election by voting day 2015?" "Why are we by far the least-favoured second-choice party, with the fewest number of people who would consider voting for us?" and "Is it the correct strategy to try for a maximum of 40 per cent of the electors?" are interesting academic questions and party followers, not its leaders should worry over them.

Especially ignore Mr Simpsons concerns that the most likely leaders "are holdovers from the Harper years. They were ministers in Harper governments. They helped frame the government’s policies – at least they did at the margin, given that so many decisions were framed by Stephen Harper. But they defended those policies. They did so in the verbally pugilistic, take-no-prisoners style so typical of the Harper party. They were, are and will be Harperites," he's just annoyed because your, Conservative, opposition "front bench" is qualitatively superior to all but a tiny handful of Prime Minister designate Trudeau's.

Read Mr Simpson's column, "know your enemy," as we used to say ... then do the reverse.

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What the CPC needs to do is to:

    1. Reconnect with its legitimate values and ambitions, which are grounded in the families who live in the suburbs around Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto and Ottawa and in the small cities and towns that stretch from Vancouver Island to the Avalon Peninsula;

    2. Enunciate those values, clearly to all Canadians;

    3. Select a leader who personifies those values ~ and there are many useful candidates, including several "Harperites."

Jeffrey Simpson says "Harperites" with a sneer of contempt; Conservatives need to say it with pride. Jeffrey Simpson represents a fast fading past of elites and croyism; Stephen Harper is the face that showed us the way to a better, more egalitarian society.


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The halcyon days of the MSM sneering, deriding and condemning everything Harper are coming to an end. They no longer have the lightning rod for their biased trash, in order to fill their columns. Watch for people like Simpson to become more desperate and outlandish while they attempt to wring one last article out of the CPC and Harper.

I'm looking forward to the day that they become so hungry that they finally, and inevitably, turn on their liberal masters and start devouring them instead.
 
recceguy said:
I'm looking forward to the day that they become so hungry that they finally, and inevitably, turn on their liberal masters and start devouring them instead.
It won't be "if", but "when" - even if it's only to say, "he's not Liberal ENOUGH!"
 
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