The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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That also got my attention and this is what I managed to dig up.
On 2019/07/18 an RFI (W6399-19KH53/A) was issued for "Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) is requesting Industry feedback regarding the Next Generation Fighting Vehicle (NGFV) project for the Department of National Defence (DND) for use by the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF)."
On 2020/05/26 an update (W6399-19KH53/B) was issued to the 2019 RFI. As part of is a demonstration of suppliers took place:
From October 28 to November 14, 2019, vehicle demonstrations occurred in Petawawa with 4 suppliers. Each supplier was provided with the opportunity to see the demonstration route one day in advance and to participate to a two (2) day engagement (totalling 8 hours), which included the One-on-One meeting with Canada. Representatives of Canada including representatives from the Department of National Defence (DND), Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISEDC) and an independent fairness monitor (FM) attended the One-on-One meetings and the vehicle demonstrations.
Then in 2021/07/22 a "Tender Notice - Letter of Interest (LOI)/Request for Information (RFI) (W6399-19KH53/D)" was issued. However, this time the recipientent was not the CF, but CANSOFCOM:
The NGFV project will deliver the fighting vehicle platform component of Initiative 60 to CANSOFCOM and will replace its existing fleet of 68 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV) which has been in-service since 2005 and will soon reach the end of its service life.(1)
And finally, back in April we get another "Letter of Intent(W6399-19KH53/E) ." This time its and Invitation to Qualify (ITQ):
1.2.1 Overview of the Procurement Process
This ITQ is the first phase of a procurement process lead by Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC)5 for the NGFV Project. The purpose of this ITQ is to qualify Suppliers that have the ability to propose solutions for the NGFV Project to Canada. Interested Suppliers who can demonstrate they meet the 5 The legal name of the Department is "Department of Public Works and Government Services". “Public Services and Procurement Canada” and “PSPC” as well as "Public Works and Government Services Canada" and "PWGSC" are the common usage names. Invitation to Qualify Next Generation Fighting Vehicle Project W6399-19KH53/E Page 5 of 21 requirements at article 1.3 are invited to respond to this ITQ. (2)
(1)ABES.PROD.PW__BL.B299.E28290.EBSU000.PDF
(2)ABES.PROD.PW__BL.B299.E28658.EBSU000.PDF
So appears that the original RFI was for a NGFV for the CF as a whole, but somewhere along it morphed into just CANSOFCOM. And you may have noticed that while W6399-19KH53/C is not listed above; it was W6399-19KH53/C was issued but apart from saying that the tender issued 2020/11/27 had expired and doesn't say much else.
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So 68 runabouts for CANSOFCOM. I wouldn't put that into the same category as any of the RCN or RCAF projects.
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Still it is significant. Not as big as jets or ships but to the troops that crew the vehicles.
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Unsurprisingly, Saab is complaining.
Although why they didn't complain in March when LM became the "preferred bidder" and chose to wait 7 months is beyond me.
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Although why they didn't complain in March when LM became the "preferred bidder" and chose to wait 7 months is beyond me.
Swedish jet maker complains Ottawa not following rules with F-35 negotiations
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If i remember correctly, Alion’s whining when they lost the CSC com was shut down using national security law. Saab will be sent packing for the same reason.Unsurprisingly, Saab is complaining.
Although why they didn't complain in March when LM became the "preferred bidder" and chose to wait 7 months is beyond me.
Swedish jet maker complains Ottawa not following rules with F-35 negotiations
Swedish fighter-jet maker Saab is accusing Ottawa of not following the rules when it comes to its plan to purchase 88 F-35s.
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And Leonardo complained when the Chinook was bought, though they had a hard time explaining how they were going to lift a howitzer that was a tonne heavier than their hook capacity…Unsurprisingly, Saab is complaining.
Although why they didn't complain in March when LM became the "preferred bidder" and chose to wait 7 months is beyond me.
Swedish jet maker complains Ottawa not following rules with F-35 negotiations
Swedish fighter-jet maker Saab is accusing Ottawa of not following the rules when it comes to its plan to purchase 88 F-35s.
Too bad someone didn't scream when the Kingfisher was selected
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they did and a helicopter contract came out of it only to be cancelled/stalled
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Kingfisher is the CC-295 SAR aircraft
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It was all over at that point. The RCAF had already been dragged across the coals for implying that the C-27 was the best for the job. Smacked down and shaped for an outcome. One could almost hear the words…”I’ll
Take my pen and write down a number of C-27 Spartans we’ll buy…Zip! Zilch! Nada! Zero C-27s!”
Zero ‘elicopters…
Zero C-27s…
Zero [insert capability intimated by CAF/service as being the best capability, while not suiting the politicians’ desires]…
Germany announced they were thinking of buying these things this past spring, and now have a signed agreement. WTF are our numbskulls waiting for??? Every one of these announcements moves us back further for delivery dates.
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Germany officially joins F-35 programme with signing of LOA
Germany has formally joined the international Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter programme, with the signing of a letter of offer and acceptance...
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That's a bit of a self-licking ice-cream cone.
No new fighter - no new people.
No new people, no ability to support legacy fighter.
No ability to support legacy fighter, no one will stay.
No new fighter - no new people.
No new people, no ability to support legacy fighter.
No ability to support legacy fighter, no one will stay.
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It is apparent that the current GoC will dither until its too expensive to purchase new fighters. DO NOT expect anything from this government UNLESS it provides
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missed this at the time. Leonardo did challenge the decision but dropped it and managed to get a Comorant deal at the same time. Status of Comorant upgrade/fleet expansion?
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OK...I'll bite...we're going to continue to operate museum pieces...?
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Vought OS2U Kingfisher - Wikipedia
Germany announced they were thinking of buying these things this past spring, and now have a signed agreement. WTF are our numbskulls waiting for??? Every one of these announcements moves us back further for delivery dates.
Germany officially joins F-35 programme with signing of LOA
Germany has formally joined the international Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter programme, with the signing of a letter of offer and acceptance...
They have after all saved a ton of money and a lot of teething pains by waiting so long to buy the F35.
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There's an election looming. I doubt anyone, of any political stripe, is going to take this poisoned peach on without a solid majority.
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