The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[KevinB]

Another F-35 training site for foreign pilots is opening

US prepares to open new training site for foreign F-35 pilots

Ebbing Air National Guard Base will become the latest U.S.-based site dedicated to training pilots across the global F-35 Joint Strike Fighter enterprise.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[dimsum]

Another F-35 training site for foreign pilots is opening

US prepares to open new training site for foreign F-35 pilots

Ebbing Air National Guard Base will become the latest U.S.-based site dedicated to training pilots across the global F-35 Joint Strike Fighter enterprise.

www.militarytimes.com

The international students will absolutely love going from Phoenix to “the 3rd largest city in Arkansas”.

 

[Quirky]

The international students will absolutely love going from Phoenix to “the 3rd largest city in Arkansas”.

Beats a posting to cold lake.

 

[ytz]

All he is doing is paying in advance for the future delivery of 16 F-35 aircraft expected to be received in 2026. Attempt to increase the Defence budget now and delay criticism of our Allies (USA). Cynical move.

Everybody buys in tranches. Including the Americans.

 

[KevinB]

Everybody buys in tranches. Including the Americans.

Yup.

 

[QV]

Beats a posting to cold lake.

Right?!

Fort Smith has a pop. of about 90k ..... that seems like a good spot to be, especially in the US of A. I'd sell a kidney to re-locate there for a bit.

 

[Quirky]

Right?!

Fort Smith has a pop. of about 90k ..... that seems like a good spot to be, especially in the US of A.

Until the RCAF solves the problem of Cold Lake and Baggotville, there will always be a shortage of fighter pilots. One is a remote shit hole, the other might as well be in a different country with language requirements. Both are not spouse friendly locations.

 

[ytz]

Until the RCAF solves the problem of Cold Lake and Baggotville, there will always be a shortage of fighter pilots. One is a remote shit hole, the other might as well be in a different country with language requirements. Both are not spouse friendly locations.

I dream of the super base. Turn Cold Lake and Baggotville into remote training bases, just like Goose. Move all the fighters to Mirabel. Dets as needed for training and ops. Maybe leave the OTU and FLIT in Cold Lake. Mirabel could be the fighter equivalent of what Trenton is for transport.

But I guess now that we're pouring billions in infrastructure into Cold Lake and Bagotville, this ship has sailed.

 

[QV]

Until the RCAF solves the problem of Cold Lake and Baggotville, there will always be a shortage of fighter pilots. One is a remote shit hole, the other might as well be in a different country with language requirements. Both are not spouse friendly locations.

True. Expecting highly skilled people to stay in those places forever is stupid because they won't. Short term, sure.

If they moved to Edmonton and Montreal, you probably couldn't beat the pilots away with an ugly stick, which would be a better problem to have.

 

[dimsum]

But I guess now that we're pouring billions in infrastructure into Cold Lake and Bagotville, this ship has sailed.

Summerside enters the chat

 

[YZT580]

I dream of the super base. Turn Cold Lake and Baggotville into remote training bases, just like Goose. Move all the fighters to Mirabel. Dets as needed for training and ops. Maybe leave the OTU and FLIT in Cold Lake. Mirabel could be the fighter equivalent of what Trenton is for transport.

But I guess now that we're pouring billions in infrastructure into Cold Lake and Bagotville, this ship has sailed.

you keep coming back to MX. Find a place that doesn't involve La Belle Province. It may be the politically favourite location but it isn't the place of choice for most of your working stiffs or their spouses.

 

[ytz]

you keep coming back to MX. Find a place that doesn't involve La Belle Province. It may be the politically favourite location but it isn't the place of choice for most of your working stiffs or their spouses.

Less politics than the reality that our entire deep maintenance organization for all our fighters are at Mirabel. You'll notice that I've never suggested Mirabel for any other fleet.

Also, no big deal for those who wouldn't want to serve there. Post them to another base/fleet. There's nothing that says you have to get your preferred job in your preferred province or city.

 

[Good2Golf]

Less politics than the reality that our entire deep maintenance organization for all our fighters are at Mirabel.

The ‘reality’ is that the fleet is depot level maintained by a defence contractor that pays its employees a metric boatload of money more than CAF members, so they happen to work there because that’s where they make the big bucks.

 

[calculus]

Has anyone seen any mention of the status of the 36 HEP Phase 2 airframes? I though there were supposed to have been 6 by the end of 2023, but I have not heard or seen any recent updates.

 

[ytz]

The ‘reality’ is that the fleet is depot level maintained by a defence contractor that pays its employees a metric boatload of money more than CAF members, so they happen to work there because that’s where they make the big bucks.

It's more than the talent. There's infrastructure and entire supply chains that enable third line and depot level work at Mirabel. Kinda difficult to move that elsewhere. And it's also where our F-35 support is going.

 

[Good2Golf]

Kinda difficult to move that elsewhere.

I know you know it’s not as difficult as you are portraying it in that sentence.

The USAF has deployable maint cap that to Canada’s scale, appears as third-line depot level capability…and it deploys globally. Updating the spare parts courier destination is not a real stretch with todays global supply chain technology.

I’m actually neutral on Mirabel, neither for, nor against. To be honest, my biggest beef with it at the moment (somewhat dated) is the lack of decent poutine anywhere in its property for itinerant aircraft.

 

[dimsum]

I’m actually neutral on Mirabel, neither for, nor against. To be honest, my biggest beef with it at the moment (somewhat dated) is the lack of decent poutine anywhere in its property for itinerant aircraft.

Sounds like a job for an enterprising former CAF member…

 

[armrdsoul77]

Has anyone seen any mention of the status of the 36 HEP Phase 2 airframes? I though there were supposed to have been 6 by the end of 2023, but I have not heard or seen any recent updates.

https://www.facebook.com/100064421514671/posts/872265024930873

 

[calculus]

Encouraging: Pratt & Whitney completes F135 Engine Core Upgrade preliminary design review - Skies Mag

 

[suffolkowner]

some interesting tidbits

36 for Bagotville and
52 for Cold Lake

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823101325388677144

"The new 7,400 m2 QRA facility at CFB Bagotville will include aircraft hangar bays, office space and sleeping quarters for personnel, and a 17,000 m2 secure fenced compound surrounding the facility. Once completed, it will help CAF personnel support Canada and the NORAD mission and quickly respond to any threats in North American airspace."

pretty big in addition to the standard building

Construction begins on new $131 million Air Force Expeditionary Capability facility at Canadian Forces Base Bagotville - Canada.ca

"The main building in the new facility will measure approximately 15,000 m², which is roughly three football fields in size. Additional exterior space double the size will be reserved as part of the fenced compound for use as personnel parking, exterior storage, and staging space for deployments."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822818561422749960

anyone have a feel for the personnel requirements stated here?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822818568402026778