The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Quirky]

When they say a Gripen has the advantage to operate from roads.

https://ac.nato.int/archive/2025-2/nato-allies-showcase-agile-combat-employment-in-nordic-highway-exercises-

 

[Colin Parkinson]

But can it sustain those ops without internet connections and other?

 

[RangerRay]

Was that the STOVL version?

 

[KevinB]

But can it sustain those ops without internet connections and other?

I’m not really following your line of questioning.

Secure Data links aren’t like normal internet, and even without data they can still fly - just threat data and mission planning may it be updated. So it would only be 2x better than the Grippen as opposed to 3.5x

 

[Quirky]

But can it sustain those ops without internet connections and other?

Just so long 4 Wing remembers to pay its Rogers bill.

 

[dapaterson]

Just so long 4 Wing remembers to pay its Rogers bill.

I thought they were still on a 33.6k dialup line.

 

[NavyShooter]

9600 eight none one...

 

[OldSolduer]

9600 eight none one...

Or call 867-5309

 

[Maxman1]

Or call 867-5309

Or 0 118 999 881 999 119 725 3

 

[dangerboy]

Love that show

 

[The Bread Guy]

This just out from the Auditor General ....

Report 2—Delivering Canada’s Future Fighter Jet Capability

Highlights

Full report also attached for more details.

OP EDIT: And this from the Department in response ...

Statement by the Minister of National Defence in response to the Auditor General of Canada’s report on Delivering Canada’s Future Fighter Jet Capability - Canada.ca

Following the tabling of the Auditor General of Canada’s (AG) report on Canada’s fighter force, the Minister of National Defence, The Honourable David McGuinty, issued the following statement:

www.canada.ca

... The Government of Canada takes these findings seriously, and is taking several steps to address the AG’s recommendations:

• We have put in place an approved and updated risk management plan to formally and regularly identify all known Future Fighter Capability Project (FFCP) risks ensuring there are appropriate mitigation strategies in place.
• We will update and refine a master implementation plan to manage project activities in accordance with the Integrated Master Schedule. As with all major projects, the plans for the FFCP are evergreen, and will continue to be monitored and updated when required.
• We will review the FFCP cost estimates on an annual basis, or more frequently should significant issues be identified.
• Additionally, we will communicate on milestones achieved on discrete projects in order to be transparent in public reporting.
  
  (...)

 

[Fabius]

Whatever happened to the RCAF Security Forces that were going to be stood up to protect the F35s?

 

[Quirky]

Whatever happened to the RCAF Security Forces that were going to be stood up to protect the F35s?

If the F-35s aren't coming until 2031, at the earliest, I don't see a huge rush to stand up a new trade. Maintaining the status quo of technicians, cooks, supply techs and clerks play WASF is much easier and less costly.

 

[KevinB]

Whatever happened to the RCAF Security Forces that were going to be stood up to protect the F35s?

I think one needs the infrastructure to house the forces and the F35’s.

Though I suspect the RCAF may have just had an AH HA moment about aircraft storage and the need for hardened sites.

 

[Nvlgzr]

If the F-35s aren't coming until 2031, at the earliest, I don't see a huge rush to stand up a new trade. Maintaining the status quo of technicians, cooks, supply techs and clerks play WASF is much easier and less costly.

The schedule indicates delivery in 2026 & 2027 for first 8 aircraft at Luke AFB and deliveries to Canada starting late 2028. The 2018 and 2025 reports indicate a failure to address pilot and tech shortages. So it appears that some of the occupants of Carling have been sitting on their hands. Would it be fair to say that promotions and transfers should be held back until results are achieved? Look forward to reply’s from those in the know.

 

[Quirky]

Would it be fair to say that promotions and transfers should be held back until results are achieved?

What?

 

[RangerRay]

Though I suspect the RCAF air forces around the world may have just had an AH HA moment about aircraft storage and the need for hardened sites.

FTFY

 

[Nvlgzr]

What?

The report indicates results have not been achieved in a timely manner. Correct me if I’m wrong, but surely there have been key senior staff whom have been involved in this project and they have failed to achieve goals before moving onto other projects and/or promoted. Every year senior promotions are published yet the CAF in general seems to be in a worse state than as each year goes buy. Yes the government is to blame for not funding properly and yes there are retirements in the CAF. But it just appears in my eyes (from the sideline) that underachieving is normal.

 

[Quirky]

The report indicates results have not been achieved in a timely manner. Correct me if I’m wrong, but surely there have been key senior staff whom have been involved in this project and they have failed to achieve goals before moving onto other projects and/or promoted. Every year senior promotions are published yet the CAF in general seems to be in a worse state than as each year goes buy. Yes the government is to blame for not funding properly and yes there are retirements in the CAF. But it just appears in my eyes (from the sideline) that underachieving is normal.

This happens all the time. People do a shit job, get promoted for doing a shit job and leave their position a disaster for the next person. There is zero accountability, from the bottom all the way to the Ministers of Parliament. People will still get their pay cheque (unless they're fired which is unlikely) and above all, will still get their pensions. It doesn't matter how you served, it's how long you served.

 

[lenaitch]

The schedule indicates delivery in 2026 & 2027 for first 8 aircraft at Luke AFB and deliveries to Canada starting late 2028. The 2018 and 2025 reports indicate a failure to address pilot and tech shortages. So it appears that some of the occupants of Carling have been sitting on their hands. Would it be fair to say that promotions and transfers should be held back until results are achieved? Look forward to reply’s from those in the know.

'The beatings will continue until morale improves'.