The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Kirkhill]

Maybe so but this shift sits squarely in the lap of the present US administration which has become unreliable and maybe even threatening as a partner. Canada will not be the only nation who will divest itself of ties to the US military industrial complex. Be careful of where you point your finger unless it's at the mirror.

Judging from Hegseth's recent comments the US itself is looking at divesting itself of ties to the US military industrial complex.

I have to think Eisenhower would approve. Just as he may have approved of getting the Europeans yo stand up for themselves.

 

[Navy_Pete]

So, like these guys, then??

Humming that while the ship is at emergency stations during a workups while sea training is there is not a recommended COA.

Sub-Lieutenant Clive Carrington-Wood of HMS Sheffield starting to sing that while in the water with the rest of the crew watching the ship sink after having been given the 'abandon ship' order following a missile strike is the stuff of legend though, so probably a good example of context mattering.

'Always Look on the Bright Side of Life': That One Time British Sailors Sang Monty Python as They Watched Their Ship Burn

 

[Quirky]

The Gripen to compliment the F-35 would be an absolute idiotic decision when the F-16 is a proven platform. How many flights and combat missions has the Gripen E completed so far?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Do these two thoughts marry up?

As in

20% Survivable equivalent to 6th Gen fighters

40% Attritable/Reusable equivalent to CCAs in the 3 to 30 MUSD range

40% Consumables equivalent to cruise missiles and other smart munitions.

Presumably the MQ-9B slots into the Attritable/Reusable category as a high end surveillance and recce device.

But what is one to make of the PQ8?

Or satellites?

There is so much cross-pollination going on just now it is difficult to see how any rules can be anythung more than guidelines.

That MLC 50 on the vehicle means it's roughly 50 short tons fully loaded.

 

[Kirkhill]

Don't believe that the end result, if this Saab Gripen spin is ultimately correct, would be Canada 'tossing out the best options for Canada' but a pivot towards 2 distinct sets of fighters. My guess, and its a guess, is that we'll continue forward with a reduced number of F35's into the future as well as the Gripen, with or without Rolls-Royce engines.

If the US goes down the route of kicking sand in our face regarding other ITAR related items on the Gripens, Canada could easily dangle the Aegis system on the future River class and say, fine, we'll go with the BAE CMS with the UK, Norwegians and Australians. Again, our first 3 Rivers could only have the Aegis and the remaining 12 BAE's CMS.

I am certain that there is alot more to what is going on than what is being made public, on this topic and others. Eventually it may come out, some or all, eventually and the results may shock us.

Re the Gripens

If the ITAR stuff were deleted could a simplified Gripen be produced for the FFLIT program?

A new CF5?

For good or evil.

Re the Rivers

If the AEGIS program is ditched would that reduce the cost of the RCDp
program?

 

[KevinB]

Don't believe that the end result, if this Saab Gripen spin is ultimately correct, would be Canada 'tossing out the best options for Canada' but a pivot towards 2 distinct sets of fighters. My guess, and its a guess, is that we'll continue forward with a reduced number of F35's into the future as well as the Gripen, with or without Rolls-Royce engines.

If the US goes down the route of kicking sand in our face regarding other ITAR related items on the Gripens, Canada could easily dangle the Aegis system on the future River class and say, fine, we'll go with the BAE CMS with the UK, Norwegians and Australians. Again, our first 3 Rivers could only have the Aegis and the remaining 12 BAE's CMS.

I am certain that there is alot more to what is going on than what is being made public, on this topic and others. Eventually it may come out, some or all, eventually and the results may shock us.

And all of a sudden CMS 330 on the CPF’s goes away.

Canada seems to think incorrectly that they have a stick. Nearly all the Defence Industries in Canada are subsidiaries of US companies, or have deep ties to US companies that limit any national grandstanding.

While they may be ‘Canadian’ companies, they are totally controlled by US interests.

Which is why I don’t believe any of this background noise will amount to anything.

You don’t send a King and Queen to announce a deal, you send them to try to do some sweat talking to make a deal.

 

[KevinB]

Re the Gripens

If the ITAR stuff were deleted could a simplified Gripen be produced for the FFLIT program?

A new CF5?

For good or evil.

Re the Rivers

If the AEGIS program is ditched would that reduce the cost of the RCDp
program?

 

[Czech_pivo]

And all of a sudden CMS 330 on the CPF’s goes away.

Canada seems to think incorrectly that they have a stick. Nearly all the Defence Industries in Canada are subsidiaries of US companies, or have deep ties to US companies that limit any national grandstanding.

While they may be ‘Canadian’ companies, they are totally controlled by US interests.

Which is why I don’t believe any of this background noise will amount to anything.

You don’t send a King and Queen to announce a deal, you send them to try to do some sweat talking to make a deal.

Valid points about the defense industries.

Time will tell about Swedish King/Queen. The CEO of Saab will be in attendance, along with Ericksson

 

[Czech_pivo]

And all of a sudden CMS 330 on the CPF’s goes away.

Canada seems to think incorrectly that they have a stick. Nearly all the Defence Industries in Canada are subsidiaries of US companies, or have deep ties to US companies that limit any national grandstanding.

While they may be ‘Canadian’ companies, they are totally controlled by US interests.

Which is why I don’t believe any of this background noise will amount to anything.

You don’t send a King and Queen to announce a deal, you send them to try to do some sweat talking to make a deal.

An article written by a certain person back in Fed, 2025 has this to say about the CMS 330 - para-phasing - Canada paid for the development of the CMS330, giving it total control over the tech.

 

[KevinB]

An article written by a certain person back in Fed, 2025 has this to say about the CMS 330 - para-phasing - Canada paid for the development of the CMS330, giving it total control over the tech.

Missing the point, as to what can happen if LocMart Canada packs up.

My point is acting like children will hurt both sides. We already have one here