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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

KevinB said:
The joke is the article doesn’t show its true colors until the end.

It was a pretty decent article up till then. It seems to neglect the decision was already made for the 88 F-35, the only portion is that Canada has debated in backtracking from that.

Canada has gotten about 4B USD Industrial Offset Benefits from JSF, and stands to make 12B all told

As a US Taxpayer, I would want those 4B back if Canada doesn’t go all in on F-35, and ensure that nothing for F-35 is made in Canada.
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Canada has also been a contributor under the technology development program, and is a member under the PSFD. So even with a reduced purchase Canada is a program participant.
 
dapaterson said:
Canada has also been a contributor under the technology development program, and is a member under the PSFD. So even with a reduced purchase Canada is a program participant.
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Again, as a US Taxpayer none of that means a lot.
IIRC the ‘wealth’ was spread around as to the expected purchase quantity.
 
KevinB said:
As a US Taxpayer, I would want those 4B back if Canada doesn’t go all in on F-35, and ensure that nothing for F-35 is made in Canada.
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That would be a great way to ensure even less of Canada's money goes south in the future.

I'm sure LM is just hoping this all blows over, and we go back to normal in a few years. Making it worse now would just ensure things would never go back to how they were.
 
Furniture said:
That would be a great way to ensure even less of Canada's money goes south in the future.

I'm sure LM is just hoping this all blows over, and we go back to normal in a few years. Making it worse now would just ensure things would never go back to how they were.
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Hey I think it’s in everyone’s best interests to get at least 66 F-35

I’m also honest enough to give my opinion on what I’d like to see if y’all walk.
 
KevinB said:
Canada has gotten about 4B USD Industrial Offset Benefits from JSF, and stands to make 12B all told

As a US Taxpayer, I would want those 4B back if Canada doesn’t go all in on F-35, and ensure that nothing for F-35 is made in Canada.
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So the money Canada received for participating in the F35 program is reimbursed and whatever Canadian widgets are in the 1300+ jets produced thus far are returned?

Workshare was to be based on initial investment and support not aircraft orders I thought(case in point Japan wasn't a partner but is the largest F35 purchaser outside the U.S. yet it's work share reflects it FMS status).
 
At this point I don't think the US Aerospace industry could take over the contracts. MTU in Vancouver had a contract to do all of a particular type of jet engine for the USAF, the USAF pulled the contract and gave it to a company in the US. Turns out they had none of the specialized tools or trained workers to meet the contract. They even begged MTU to give them the tooling, MTU said go pound sand. Eventually the USAF had to come back to MTU, cap in hand begging them to slot engines in when they could. They went from a first priority customer to one at the back of the line.
 
KevinB said:
The joke is the article doesn’t show its true colors until the end.

It was a pretty decent article up till then. It seems to neglect the decision was already made for the 88 F-35, the only portion is that Canada has debated in backtracking from that.

Canada has gotten about 4B USD Industrial Offset Benefits from JSF, and stands to make 12B all told

As a US Taxpayer, I would want those 4B back if Canada doesn’t go all in on F-35, and ensure that nothing for F-35 is made in Canada.
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So youd want those companies to stop making parts and have the follow on delays to producing F35s? And youd want some kind of mechanism to have that money pulled out of companies for services rendered ? Interesting legal precedent.
 
KevinB said:
The joke is the article doesn’t show its true colors until the end.

It was a pretty decent article up till then. It seems to neglect the decision was already made for the 88 F-35, the only portion is that Canada has debated in backtracking from that.

Canada has gotten about 4B USD Industrial Offset Benefits from JSF, and stands to make 12B all told

As a US Taxpayer, I would want those 4B back if Canada doesn’t go all in on F-35, and ensure that nothing for F-35 is made in Canada.
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How about we ask for the US's half for the Gordie Howe Bridge and call it even.

Most of those industrial offsets were specialized Canadian Companies who made things others did not and or could not.
 
markppcli said:
Can't wait for us fo reneg on our commitments only to buy them after a decade long delay.
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Kickin the can down the road...

Sad Kick GIF by Naeleck
 
30 years later and it is 1997 all over again

www.politico.eu

Canada to join British-Italian-Japanese fighter jet program

Canada will have access to top secret GCAP details but won’t be a full participant.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

For the record

Canada has been a partner in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program since 1997. Because of this,
companies in Canada have been, and continue to be, eligible to bid on the work packages
associated with the project. There are no guarantees of work being granted to companies in Canada
or in any other partner nation. Companies in all partner countries must offer competitive
technologies at competitive prices to successfully win work packages.


 
Czech_pivo said:
Does any other country have 'Observer' status that we will now have? Are we the only one, so far?
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There's others looking to join as observers too. Notably Australia. But Germany, Sweden, Saudi Arabia and Sweden are being courted to. We're probably the first onboard. And entering as an observer is normal. It allows staff to do deep dives before the government actually commits. It's designed to allow the government more informed decisionmaking. We also have observer status on NATO Next Gen Rotorcraft as well, for example.
 
markppcli said:
Can't wait for us fo reneg on our commitments only to buy them after a decade long delay.
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I get the cynicism. But also, nothing about how defence is being funded, reorg'd and planned today is in line with our history over the last two decades. So I am not sure that past is necessarily prologue here.
 
ytz said:
I get the cynicism. But also, nothing about how defence is being funded, reorg'd and planned today is in line with our history over the last two decades. So I am not sure that past is necessarily prologue here.
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For me, I want to see as much as possible signed and sealed before the next election occurs.
If someone else comes next, I want it to be as difficult and as next to impossible for things to be cancelled or cutback on.
 
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