The Threat of Modern Piracy- A Merged Thread

[Eye In The Sky]

You do realize the high value targets include shipping that is bringing in UN aid (food) to the area?

 

[aesop081]

I'm really suprised that with advanced shipping technologies, the US state department can't minitor the area and post radio warnings to shipping companies. Although I'm a little surpised shipping companies are still shipping in an area of known piracy.

Although I somehow am currious as to the legality of Canadian Military Vesels interfering in Somalia's National Waters, I can only geuss that the somoli government(s) have OKed the Canadian Vesel operating on a security detail in the area.

Maybe doing some arming of boards like the decoys in WWII would help out here..  but I geuss the legality of arming a commercial shipping vessel with Guided Misses SSM etc.. would probably be out of the question.... however it'd probably save the hastle for the cost of some shoulder launched rockets and Hatf's.


A bunch of suprlus small arms, depth charges etc..

reeding dis urt my ayes......

 

[Old Sweat]

Given the limited escorts available and the challenges of not being able to force compliance among the nations operating merchant ships, is the adoption of a convoy system a feasible measure?

 

[Edward Campbell]

Piracy is a HUGE problem. Canada, despite being a major trading nation, has only limited concern because:

• Most of our trade is continental – we are not a great maritime trader;

• Some of the problems are in areas where our already limited interests are negligible; and

• We have limited resources to apply even when there is interest in doing something.

Anyone interested in the dimension of the problem and some of he possible solutions should look at some of these presentations.

Canada can and should play a larger role (maybe one warship for half a year, every year – and, yes I am aware that we already have staffing/readiness problems in the Navy) as a fairly cheap and easy way of enhancing our international reputation in areas of greater importance (than South West Asia) – e.g. South and East Asia.

 

[George Wallace]

I'm really suprised that with advanced shipping technologies, the US state department can't minitor the area and post radio warnings to shipping companies. Although I'm a little surpised shipping companies are still shipping in an area of known piracy.

Although I somehow am currious as to the legality of Canadian Military Vesels interfering in Somalia's National Waters, I can only geuss that the somoli government(s) have OKed the Canadian Vesel operating on a security detail in the area.

Maybe doing some arming of boards like the decoys in WWII would help out here..  but I geuss the legality of arming a commercial shipping vessel with Guided Misses SSM etc.. would probably be out of the question.... however it'd probably save the hastle for the cost of some shoulder launched rockets and Hatf's.


A bunch of suprlus small arms, depth charges etc..

These are not "Pirates of the Caribbean" sailing the High Seas in the "Black Pearl".  They are 'bandits' in high speed launches operating from the Coast of Somalia and attacking small seagoing craft that are close to short.  It is relatively hard to for any current technology to track a Zodiac from land to a Private Yacht and send a Boarding Party from a Naval Ship at sea, to repell the pirates.  I suppose in the fantasy world of Video Games it is much easier.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

I'm really suprised that with advanced shipping technologies, the US state department can't minitor the area and post radio warnings to shipping companies. Although I'm a little surpised shipping companies are still shipping in an area of known piracy.

Although I somehow am currious as to the legality of Canadian Military Vesels interfering in Somalia's National Waters, I can only geuss that the somoli government(s) have OKed the Canadian Vesel operating on a security detail in the area.

Maybe doing some arming of boards like the decoys in WWII would help out here..  but I geuss the legality of arming a commercial shipping vessel with Guided Misses SSM etc.. would probably be out of the question.... however it'd probably save the hastle for the cost of some shoulder launched rockets and Hatf's.


A bunch of suprlus small arms, depth charges etc..

If you know nothing on the subject don't post such drivel and speculation. If you want to learn more then ask the proper questions. For example:
What would be the legal aspects for the arming of commercial shipping in areas of piracy? Had you asked something like that then no one could fault you. We in the CF don't do this for pretend like you think we do. This is about our lives and other peoples lives on the line. Its not game and its not for your amusement. So cease!

 

[OldSolduer]

There is only ONE solution to this....eradicate these scum.

 

[geo]

Let's face it, where there is no stable government, lawlessness and piracy/banditry will prosper.
Considering the shaky state of the Somali government, I am not surprised that the pirates are so active...
Ships stuffed with aid supplies for their countrymen..... it's like a henhouse to the local foxes...

Until the pirates are erradicated, convoy systems might be the only option BUT, given the lousy state of affairs for unloading ships in Mogadishu, the arrival of multi ship convoys will only mean one thing... ships sitting around awaiting their turn to unload.  Most shipping companies don't like to see their ships just sit there doing nothing - except run up payroll and operating expenses.  Paying a ransom might be cheaper in their eyes.

 

[Snafu-Bar]

I think i heard correctly on the news that we sent a Halifax class to aid the region with it's piracy problem.

Hmcs Ville De Quebec...(sorry for the oversight)

Other link to related article here

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/78684.0.html

Cheers.


Edited for correction.

 

[George Wallace]

Yes we did.  It is a big Ocean and they can't cover all the ground waters, all at once, all by themselves.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I think i heard correctly on the news that we sent a Halifax class to aid the region with it's piracy problem.

Hmcs Quebec...  HMCS VILLE DE QUÉBEC

Their website is here.

 

[geo]

George... that's what the Sea King detachment is there for

 

[OldSolduer]

Are there not crocodile infested waters near there......? Having those bad thoughts again... >

 

[geo]

Crocs... "up the Nile" - not in open sea

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Sharks...... maybe

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

George... that's what the Sea King detachment is there for

Still only 2 units to cover a large area. Like the Army, the Navy and the Air Force cannot be everywhere at once.

Crocs... "up the Nile" - not in open sea

never hear of the saltwater crocodile? 10 friggin meters in can grow up to.

 

[geo]

Salt water - yes, deep water - no

As an ambush predator, it usually waits for its prey to get close to the water's edge before striking without warning and using its great strength to drag the animal back into the water. Most prey animals are killed by the great jaw pressure of the crocodile, although some animals may be incidentally drowned. It is an immensely powerful animal, having the strength to drag a fully grown water buffalo into a river, or crush a full-grown bovid's skull between its jaws.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Although piracy off the Horn of Africa is a problem the real, BIG problem, the one our self interest suggests we should try to help address, is in the Straits of Malacca.

 

[OldSolduer]

OH I suppose sharks will do, but do they have frickin ;D lasers attached to their heads?

 

[geo]

Aisian pirates have been a curse to Signapore, Thailand, Indonesia, the Phillipines and pert much all the other island countries in that part of the world.... I would've thought that, given the sophisticated navies that most of these countries have, they - with a little bit of help from their big neighbors (Australia/NZ, China, Japan & Taiwan) their piracy problem shoulda been dealt with.