The RCAF should operate it, Antonov can support it as payment for the support we have given Ukraine. We rented it enough in the past to justify having one of our own.
The War in Ukraine
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50 meters strikes me as being awfully close to being a Hail Mary shot but I am guessing you need one last crack at it.
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That seems to be well within the range of successful shootdowns even with a shotgun, remember these things are small and fast. This is supposed to fill the gap if EW and anti-drone drones fail and to give troops a fighting chance without having to lug around an additional weapon with its own ammunition.
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Interesting. I wonder if the same principle could be applied to the 25x137mm for the LAV's M242.
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Happened at least twice on film but with Bradleys. Programmable air burst munitions already exist in the 25mm range, though that'll be an expensive solution to $500 drones. Flechette canisters would be closer to what Ukraine has created.
In other news. Believe it when I see it.
Trump to announce "aggressive" Ukraine weapons plan
Possibly related to this that I posted on Wednesday in the Political Impacts thread, SCALP production is getting spun back up.
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I'd heard about the Programmable munitions and both the expense and limitations of the 25mm round due to size (hard to fit a sensor and a useful load apparently, thus the interest in 30 mm, both 113 and 173)
I was curious about the nature of the "submunitions" in the 5.56 round. I am assuming it doesn't require any gadgetry on the rifle.
I've had 24 hour periods that felt like forever but this may take the cake: Trump Gives Russia 50 day deadline to end war.
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I’m guessing this is a multiplex round.
Multiple segments that are fitted loosely together front to rear and separate upon leaving the barrel.
OLIN had a patent for the 5.56mm Colt ACR program on a duplex projectile.
During GWOT David Tubb had made some subsonic 7.62 NATO Duplex rounds designed to cycle semiauto rifles - I still have some, the second projectile was generally within 6” at 100m, so not ideal for sentry removal, and .300Blackout was about to do the subsonic role. He had to stay away from 5.56mm due to Olin/Winchesters patent.
My assumption is it is like those, just adding more segment but instead of being like a bullet and similar in weight to a single 5.56mm projectile, in the duplex, these would be around 15-20grains each.
Some companies had tried to make Tri-Plex rounds, with basically a 1/3rd segment of the round (cut from face on)- some had a thin jacket over the segments but generally they tended to fly apart once leaving the muzzle and no discernible pattern was observable. Thicker jackets where tried to make the bullet come apart drastically when hitting something - but generally due to low weight of the segments little penetration was achieved but with significant surface wounding and a large diameter area just under the impact point.
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Most shotguns are 10m and in for this sort of work.
Makes sense, I am however somewhat skeptical based on my own experiences with multiple projectile ammunition.
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True, but remember the old days of "Aircraft Action Right/Left" and having everybody fire their FN's in a mad rapid fire wall of lead as a last resort against aircraft? If nothing else is working ...
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Yes things designed to make troops feel like they may have a chance.
Better than the alternative....
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@Remius @brihard
Now that it has become a little clearer from the last article, putting this in here since an actual weapon system has been name dropped.
Trump Reportedly Considered Sending Tomahawk Missiles to Ukraine Capable of Hitting Moscow
In a strategic shift, Trump allows Ukraine to utilize ATACMS missiles and weighs Tomahawk missiles to enhance pressure on Russia's leadership.
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While I wish in my underdog heart of hearts POTUS47 is having a change of heart on which horse to back, I’ve seen him flip flop too much to hold out much long term hope. Happy to be wrong, though. 
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He seems to have really had a bad breakup with Vlad, that is going to make Vlad very very sad.While I wish in my underdog heart of hearts POTUS47 is having a change of heart on which horse to back, I’ve seen him flip flop too much to hold out much long term hope. Happy to be wrong, though.
He seems to have adopted (better late than never) the approach he had before in his first term by making peace much more palatable than War, but supplying Ukraine with weapons and training that make Russian aggression very painful to Russia.
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Roshel getting some social media love thanks to surviving a direct FPV hit on video.
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How feasible would it be for the Ukkies to reverse engineer a Tomahawk missile if Trump sent them some. Would this be sensible for them try and and do this?@Remius @brihard
Now that it has become a little clearer from the last article, putting this in here since an actual weapon system has been name dropped.
Trump Reportedly Considered Sending Tomahawk Missiles to Ukraine Capable of Hitting Moscow
In a strategic shift, Trump allows Ukraine to utilize ATACMS missiles and weighs Tomahawk missiles to enhance pressure on Russia's leadership.
Physically, Tomahawk‘s a 40+ year old system. The missile itself is probably well within their capabilities to match or surpass. I would have to think the magic is in the navigation/guidance/targeting software, and integrating it with launch systems of aircraft.
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