Troops To The Border ?

[quadrapiper]

Yeah, no kidding. There are huge parts of the border that are just 100s of miles of scrub forest and Canadian shield. It's nice for about a day or two, but even the wildlife get bored, and you need to plan fuel stops because there are just empty spots without even a gas station. That huge area from Montana through North Dakota and Minnesota isn't really hopping, and it's all north of Ottawa.

This nighttime satellite shot at the link below gives you a pretty good idea of how empty it is;

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-north-america-at-night-in-2012-showing-the-united-states-and-canada-84970756.html

Plus those wonderfully dark spots just in from the Pacific coast: mountains, maybe some "no step on snek" militia types, more mountains, your choice of carnivores, and trees.

 

[stellarpanther]

As much as I'm not a Trump supporter, he does come across as reasonable when it's not something that he thought of on his own.  At the Press Conference Thursday, he almost seemed surprised by the question as if it was the first he heard about it. and instead of simply saying that, he blabbered on about troops on the southern border and the dumping of steel from Canada.

 

[Jarnhamar]

[quote author=quadrapiper] maybe some "no step on snek" militia types
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Seen a deployed US unit with that flag up. The snek one. Beautiful.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

My son has one of those "No Step on Snek" flags. He wanted me to replace our Canadian flag outside with it as a joke when Pres. Trump announced the troop deployment.

I said : No! Nothing displaces the Canadian flag in this household. I have to put my foot down at some things.  :tsktsk:

I think the best summing up of most Canadian's reaction to Trump's announcement is summed up perfectly by the cartoon FJAG today posted in the Political Cartoon thread. Personally, if the US wants to deploy them, I think the troop will bore themselves to death watching over nothing, and will then go back to camps after this blows over, having accomplished nothing whatsoever.

 

[FSTO]

I had to look up the "No step on Snek" flag. Its funny how some people automatically scream how its a "racist" flag. Huh?

Its a parody of the "Don't tread on me" flag that the traitorous colonial rebels flew during the unfortunate time of 1776.

Is "Don't tread on me" still the current Jack of the US Navy?

 

[dimsum]

I had to look up the "No step on Snek" flag. Its funny how some people automatically scream how its a "racist" flag. Huh?

Its a parody of the "Don't tread on me" flag that the traitorous colonial rebels flew during the unfortunate time of 1776.

Is "Don't tread on me" still the current Jack of the US Navy?

Apparently not since June 4, 2019 when it returned to the "50 stars".  I learn something every day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_the_United_States#Naval_jacks_of_the_United_States_by_date

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

I wonder if the Treaty  of Ghent ( War of 1812 peacetreaty) has anything to to limit troops on the border, I read it does limit armed war ships from both sides on the Great Lakes. The treaty was one of the reasons the US Coast Guard had to withdraw some weapons off there boats in the Great Lakes a few years ago.  Just curious

 

[Old Sweat]

It seems to me that this was blown up out of all proportion. I retired in 1994, but back then I was involved for a couple of years in CANUS land defence issues. Both countries from time to time raised cross border surveillance in the "war on drugs" context, and there was liaison, etc. Very little overt ever took place, and frankly there was nothing that the non-paranoid could describe as stationing troops along the border.

Frankly, positioning UAV detachments inside your own territory is a yawner.

P.S. We did deploy OPs in critical areas from time to time, and did inform the Americans, who expressed little, if any, concern.

 

[FJAG]

Canada and the US have been partners in border security for some time. There used to be a specific organization that coordinated such activities at regional levels called Integrated Border Enforcement Teams that focused on the coordination on both sides of the border (including both federal, state, provincial and local agencies police services on the border as well as both federal border agencies).

I note that the term IBET seems to be missing from the RCMP websites in the last year or so although there is still a site that talks about the same issues called "Border Security. (Note, however, that the web page address is still "ibet-eipf" http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ibet-eipf/index-eng.htm). They certainly still carry out all the same functions including the joint "Ship Rider Program" on the Great Lakes and other maritime areas and I wouldn't doubt that IBETs still exist in the RCMP but the term just isn't "out there" as it was in the past.

:cheers:

 

[brihard]

Canada and the US have been partners in border security for some time. There used to be a specific organization that coordinated such activities at regional levels called Integrated Border Enforcement Teams that focused on the coordination on both sides of the border (including both federal, state, provincial and local agencies police services on the border as well as both federal border agencies).

I note that the term IBET seems to be missing from the RCMP websites in the last year or so although there is still a site that talks about the same issues called "Border Security. (Note, however, that the web page address is still "ibet-eipf" http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ibet-eipf/index-eng.htm). They certainly still carry out all the same functions including the joint "Ship Rider Program" on the Great Lakes and other maritime areas and I wouldn't doubt that IBETs still exist in the RCMP but the term just isn't "out there" as it was in the past.

:cheers:

A number of different federal investigation and enforcement functions, including IBET, federal drugs, money laundering etc, got rolled together into the 'Federal Serious and Organized Crime' units. The function still exists and there are teams within some of the FSOC units that work border stuff. That's the limit of my knowledge on it though.

 

[FJAG]

A number of different federal investigation and enforcement functions, including IBET, federal drugs, money laundering etc, got rolled together into the 'Federal Serious and Organized Crime' units. The function still exists and there are teams within some of the FSOC units that work border stuff. That's the limit of my knowledge on it though.

Thanks. I was wondering why the website changed. For I while I thought they might have rolled them into INSETs but that's kinda different.

:cheers: