Altair
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Wrong thread.Carney is the only one who has what it takes to stand up against Trump and win. How we doing so far?

Wrong thread.Carney is the only one who has what it takes to stand up against Trump and win. How we doing so far?
No.Wrong thread.
And you think this is adding to this conversation?? Do better.....I'm convinced that if we had PP at the helm we'd haveQV'drolled over by now.
You don't consider Canada's position rolling over? Our "attack" is a provincial paid for attack ad which we quickly rushed to take down when it worked.I'm convinced that if we had PP at the helm we'd haveQV'drolled over by now.
No. Our "position" hasn't changed. Pulling a TV add doesn't mean our position has changed.You don't consider Canada's position rolling over? Our "attack" is a provincial paid for attack ad which we quickly rushed to take down when it worked.
"Yeah but the other guy would be worse"
No, we have not rolled over. We’ve stood by CUSMA, our existing, legally binding trade deal with the U.S. we haven’t chosen to sign a worse deal to please them.You don't consider Canada's position rolling over? Our "attack" is a provincial paid for attack ad which we quickly rushed to take down when it worked.
"Yeah but the other guy would be worse"
Not sure I agree. Sticking strictly to CUSMA sounds principled, but it can also be shortsighted. The global market has shifted since that deal was signed, and refusing to adapt or negotiate new terms could leave Canada at a disadvantage while the US and others move ahead.No, we have not rolled over. We’ve stood by CUSMA, our existing, legally binding trade deal with the U.S. we haven’t chosen to sign a worse deal to please them.
‘Quick to take down?’ It’s been running since 16 October and we took it down after 11 days, what’s ‘quick’ about that?You don't consider Canada's position rolling over? Our "attack" is a provincial paid for attack ad which we quickly rushed to take down when it worked.
"Yeah but the other guy would be worse"
No, the global market has NOT changed, only the US position has changed.Not sure I agree. Sticking strictly to CUSMA sounds principled, but it can also be shortsighted. The global market has shifted since that deal was signed, and refusing to adapt or negotiate new terms could leave Canada at a disadvantage while the US and others move ahead.
Trump has Canada on its back with a hand tied behind us. People are acting like we have the US on the ropes.
Show me where a US law maker was enlightened over the ad. Or where a US senator realized Trump was wrong because of the ad.No. Our "position" hasn't changed. Pulling a TV add doesn't mean our position has changed.
In fact, pulling the add WAS probably the smart thing to do; Trump reaction to it got way more visibility than if he had said nothing and we'd continued to run the add. The only reason to keep playing it now would be to intentionally piss him off, and as I said upthread, I don't believe pissing him off was the intent.
We rushed to take it down the minute Trump threw a tantrum.‘Quick to take down?’ It’s been running since 16 October and we took it down after 11 days, what’s ‘quick’ about that?
CUSMA is the best trade deal anyone anywhere has with the U.S. Mathematically how can you possibly say sticking with it is shortsighted? Playing a defensive game to stick it out with a trade deal that leaves most of our trade tariff free or very low tariff is the no brainer move unless they offer something even better, which of course they won’t. It would be like having an indefinite fixed rate mortgage at the bank at an exceedingly low interest rate and letting them bully you into refinancing at 10 or 20%. Makes no sense.Not sure I agree. Sticking strictly to CUSMA sounds principled, but it can also be shortsighted. The global market has shifted since that deal was signed, and refusing to adapt or negotiate new terms could leave Canada at a disadvantage while the US and others move ahead.
Trump has Canada on its back with a hand tied behind us. People are acting like we have the US on the ropes.