Altair
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Wrong thread.
Trump administration 2024-2028
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No.
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And you think this is adding to this conversation?? Do better.....
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You don't consider Canada's position rolling over? Our "attack" is a provincial paid for attack ad which we quickly rushed to take down when it worked.
"Yeah but the other guy would be worse"
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No. Our "position" hasn't changed. Pulling a TV add doesn't mean our position has changed.
In fact, pulling the add WAS probably the smart thing to do; Trump reaction to it got way more visibility than if he had said nothing and we'd continued to run the add. The only reason to keep playing it now would be to intentionally piss him off, and as I said upthread, I don't believe pissing him off was the intent.
No, we have not rolled over. We’ve stood by CUSMA, our existing, legally binding trade deal with the U.S. we haven’t chosen to sign a worse deal to please them.
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Not sure I agree. Sticking strictly to CUSMA sounds principled, but it can also be shortsighted. The global market has shifted since that deal was signed, and refusing to adapt or negotiate new terms could leave Canada at a disadvantage while the US and others move ahead.
Trump has Canada on its back with a hand tied behind us. People are acting like we have the US on the ropes.
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‘Quick to take down?’ It’s been running since 16 October and we took it down after 11 days, what’s ‘quick’ about that?
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No, the global market has NOT changed, only the US position has changed.
Do you see the EU implementing tariffs against Japan or the Australians against the Indonesians?
Only the US is dong the idiotic thing of saying implementing tariffs.
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Show me where a US law maker was enlightened over the ad. Or where a US senator realized Trump was wrong because of the ad.
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We rushed to take it down the minute Trump threw a tantrum.
CUSMA is the best trade deal anyone anywhere has with the U.S. Mathematically how can you possibly say sticking with it is shortsighted? Playing a defensive game to stick it out with a trade deal that leaves most of our trade tariff free or very low tariff is the no brainer move unless they offer something even better, which of course they won’t. It would be like having an indefinite fixed rate mortgage at the bank at an exceedingly low interest rate and letting them bully you into refinancing at 10 or 20%. Makes no sense.
While we cannot control for the possibility of Trump unilaterally welching on his own signed trade agreement, we don’t have to hand him the freebie. If, hypothetically, he wants to dishonour his own CUSMA agreement, then he’ll have to take the hit to America’s credibility and credit in its trade relationships. Until then, kick rocks, eat shit, and stick to the deal YOU negotiated, signed, and touted as fantastic.
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It was never directed at or meant to influence any of those people…..it was directed at the electorate. And it had it’s intended result, and Trumps temper tantrum magnified that result by a huge amount. Granted, Trumps extreme reaction might have been unexpected but he’ll calm down and taco it.
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If it's an ad to educate Americans about tariffs and not something deployed to raise a particular kind of shit at this particular moment in time, it sure took the brains behind it a long count of months to figure out what they were going to say. Pity they couldn't get out in front of the storm sometime before last Christmas.
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Which was what exactly?
I see:
-immediate termination of all trade negotiations between the U.S. and Canada,
-10 % increase in tariffs on Canadian goods as punishment for the ad.
Rather than easing trade tensions, it worsened them.
As far as credibility goes the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation & Institute stated that the ad mis-represents Reagan’s remarks and that Ontario did not seek permission to edit and use the speech.
A report published by the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario estimated that ongoing US tariffs could result in a drop of $17.4B in exports, a loss of 106,000 jobs by 2026, and GDP reduction of 1.7% relative to no-tariff scenario.
People are just trying to spin this the same way we tried to spin Trump being 4 hours late to the Hamas peace deal. Except this will potentially cost us billions.
but they're lying, anyone can go watch the full speech and hear what it says.
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The intended result was to goad the fence sitters and hopefully some of the Maga folks to see how tariffs are bad by using Reagans position as he pointed out in his speech. And Trump actually helped that along by his rant……YouTube reported a 400% increase in requests for Reagans speech the morning after Trumps rant. As far as the Reagan Foundation, they are flat out lieing…and the speech is public domain…permission is not required. As for Trumps termination of trade negotiations…who is to say he wouldn’t have done it anyways, the guy is totally unpredictable and untrustworthy to boot. We aren’t dealing with a very rational guy.
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Meh…your woulda, coulda, shoulda serves no purpose. Besides nobody in their right mind could have foreseen before last Christmas that Trump would attempt to destroy the worlds trading and economic system a few months later.