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Trump administration 2024-2028

Remius said:
This line right here:

Rubio may be right that NATO is spending more than ever. But his op-ed reveals something else: America is asking for trust again — after having spent the better part of a year proving it can’t be counted on.
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Yup.

Yup.

Anecdotally (IMO), top of the “we don’t trust you (USA) anymore” list in NATO is Poland. Many Poles I spoke with think 5 (US) Corps should just go back home. Poland has solid protection deals recently *put in place with France and Germany and the U.S. is untrustworthy. Other NATO nations complain that the only NATO member ever to ask for Chapter 5 support is the one nation now telling the rest of NATO that it will pick and choose when Chapter 5 support is granted to any other member other than the U.S.

America is seriously under appreciating how badly it is destroying its political and security capital.
 
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Good2Golf said:
Yup.

Yup.

Anecdotally (IMO), top of the “we don’t trust you (USA) anymore” list in NATO is Poland. Many Poles I spoke with think 5 (US) Corps should just go back home. Poland has solid protection deals recently out in place with France and Germany and the U.S. is untrustworthy. Other NATO nations complain that the only NATO member ever to ask for Chapter 5 support is the one nation now telling the rest of NATO that it will pick and choose when Chapter 5 support is granted to any other member other than the U.S.

America is seriously under appreciating how badly it is destroying its political and security capital.
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This administration is a combination of a messy smash and grab, and asset stripping of a recent acquisition (keys to the American economy) before dumping it and moving on (or perhaps offshore).

The American people are proving to be incredibly gullible....again.
 
Good2Golf said:
Yup.

Yup.

Anecdotally (IMO), top of the “we don’t trust you (USA) anymore” list in NATO is Poland. Many Poles I spoke with think 5 (US) Corps should just go back home. Poland has solid protection deals recently out in place with France and Germany and the U.S. is untrustworthy. Other NATO nations complain that the only NATO member ever to ask for Chapter 5 support is the one nation now telling the rest of NATO that it will pick and choose when Chapter 5 support is granted to any other member other than the U.S.

America is seriously under appreciating how badly it is destroying its political and security capital.
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Is this visible to reasonably senior US military leadership?
 
brihard said:
Is this visible to reasonably senior US military leadership?
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I honestly don’t know other than one U.S. field-grade officer I spoke with who said he “hopes so” [US GOFOs tracking]. Others are closer to the side of things back Stateside.
 
Good2Golf said:
Yup.

Yup.

Anecdotally (IMO), top of the “we don’t trust you (USA) anymore” list in NATO is Poland. Many Poles I spoke with think 5 (US) Corps should just go back home. Poland has solid protection deals recently out in place with France and Germany and the U.S. is untrustworthy. Other NATO nations complain that the only NATO member ever to ask for Chapter 5 support is the one nation now telling the rest of NATO that it will pick and choose when Chapter 5 support is granted to any other member other than the U.S.

America is seriously under appreciating how badly it is destroying its political and security capital.
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Trump has successfully killed the American empires global reach. Looks a lot more like late Austria-Hungary than 1900 Britain. Very hard to bring that back once it has been lost.

One thing that the American public didn't appreciate was the fact since they were paying for everyone's defense, they also were the ones with the final say on everything. Now that Europe et all are stepping up that final say disappears.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Trump has successfully killed the American empires global reach. Looks a lot more like late Austria-Hungary than 1900 Britain. Very hard to bring that back once it has been lost.

One thing that the American public didn't appreciate was the fact since they were paying for everyone's defense, they also were the ones with the final say on everything. Now that Europe et all are stepping up that final say disappears.
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Well, Europe has always had an issue 'stepping up' as you say. Without US involvement over the past few decades most of them would likely be Russian vassal states by now.

The EU is an economic union first, other things after that, and it shows in their shaky 'collective defense resolve' from time to time.
 
Good2Golf said:
America’s hegemony in Europe is dead. Americans just don’t know it yet.
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Hegemony only works if you remain hegemonic. You don’t get the benefit of hegemonic dominance if you stop eating the costs thereof. There’s an irony in that, given the overall situation.

We’re seeing the U.S. discarding soft power lightning quick, and they’re trying to make up for it with economic hard power. They didn’t factor in the agency and separate decision making of everyone else at the table. Only Americans are guided or blind by notions of American exceptionalism… To everyone else, in an increasingly transactional world, they’re just another potential party with whom to make deals. America has spent too long high on its own supply and forgets that their primacy was earned and maintained on an ongoing basis; it’s not purchased once and then a given henceforth.

Canada’s not in as enviable position, but Europe has all the necessary ingredients to reorient trade and military relationships to diversify away from the U.S. if it’s necessary to. Americans won’t like realizing that.
 
If Americans do return more stable leadership to their nation, they may be surprised when the rest of the world doesn't immediately recognize them as a restored stable nation or reliable partner. There is generational damage done to their brand.
 
brihard said:
Hegemony only works if you remain hegemonic. You don’t get the benefit of hegemonic dominance if you stop eating the costs thereof. There’s an irony in that, given the overall situation.
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Indeed. America may want to remain a superpower…the superpower, but super power is only maintained when being able to credibly holding something or things over others’ heads. America is challenging Canada ability to lecture others incessantly with little positive to show for it…

brihard said:
We’re seeing the U.S. discarding soft power lightning quick, and they’re trying to make up for it with economic hard power.
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Which is sunsetting pretty quickly…I give even odds to whether the RMB or EUR replaces the USD as the global currency. The greenback is dead man walking…

brihard said:
They didn’t factor in the agency and separate decision making of everyone else at the table. Only Americans are guided or blind by notions of American exceptionalism… To everyone else, in an increasingly transactional world, they’re just another potential party with whom to make deals.
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And cultures and states have different arts of their own deals

brihard said:
America has spent too long high on its own supply and forgets that their primacy was earned and maintained on an ongoing basis; it’s not purchased once and then a given henceforth.
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*America’s trust and reliability defenestrated a while ago…

brihard said:
Canada’s not in as enviable position, but Europe has all the necessary ingredients to reorient trade and military relationships to diversify away from the U.S. if it’s necessary to. Americans won’t like realizing that.
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It will have to endure some short-term pain for long-term gain, which puts it in a more diversified (non-beholden to *USA) position.
 
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I see Trump has wimped out to Putin again. He's so angry with Putin that if Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire in 50 days he'll put a 100% tariff on Russia . . . a country that already has almost all of its exports under sanctions.

We'll, at least he's allowing Europe to buy American weapons to send to Ukraine.

What a joke.

:(
 
Good2Golf said:
Yup.

Yup.

Anecdotally (IMO), top of the “we don’t trust you (USA) anymore” list in NATO is Poland. Many Poles I spoke with think 5 (US) Corps should just go back home. Poland has solid protection deals recently *put in place with France and Germany and the U.S. is untrustworthy. Other NATO nations complain that the only NATO member ever to ask for Chapter 5 support is the one nation now telling the rest of NATO that it will pick and choose when Chapter 5 support is granted to any other member other than the U.S.

America is seriously under appreciating how badly it is destroying its political and security capital.
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I certainly think (and frankly hope) the next middle eastern war they'll be going it alone. Maybe Israel.
 
Well this is a surprising turn. Very much sounds like a breakup with Daddy P, just need to wait and see if this new bark has bite.

Trump asked Zelenskiy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, FT reports

U.S. President Donald Trump has privately encouraged Ukraine to step up strikes deep in Russian territory, even asking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy whether he could hit Moscow if the U.S. provided long-range weapons, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.
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It’s long been Lucy with the football. I don’t believe any purported support for Ukraine from Trump at this point until and unless Charlie Brown actually makes the punt. Arguably the only thing that could lend this some credibility is that Putin’s making him look like a chump, which he probably doesn’t like.

HavokFour said:
Well this is a surprising turn. Very much sounds like a breakup with Daddy P, just need to wait and see if this new bark has bite.

Trump asked Zelenskiy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, FT reports
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I wouldn’t bet against this being an orchestrated leak to try to make the 50 day deadline look like something that should be taken seriously.
 
brihard said:
It’s long been Lucy with the football. I don’t believe any purported support for Ukraine from Trump at this point until and unless Charlie Brown actually makes the punt. Arguably the only thing that could lend this some credibility is that Putin’s making him look like a chump, which he probably doesn’t like.



I wouldn’t bet against this being an orchestrated leak to try to make the 50 day deadline look like something that should be taken seriously.
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Well, before it was 2 weeks…🤣

TACO 🌮
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Trump has successfully killed the American empires global reach. Looks a lot more like late Austria-Hungary than 1900 Britain. Very hard to bring that back once it has been lost.

One thing that the American public didn't appreciate was the fact since they were paying for everyone's defense, they also were the ones with the final say on everything. Now that Europe et all are stepping up that final say disappears.
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