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But we knew this was going to happen....

Plus size Texas National Guard members viciously mocked in Chicago after Pete Hegseth warned military must get in shape​


Plus-sized members of the Texas National Guard have been viciously mocked for their weight as they arrived in Chicago for deployment.

The cruel comments come after Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth demanded military personnel must return to 'the highest male standard' in a meeting with commanders last week.

'Do these Texas rolls comply with commandant Hegseth's newest fitness rules,' one critic asked after photos emerged of troops at an Army Reserve center in Illinois.

'Were they stationed at Texas Roadhouse,' another added.

I do love Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump completely failing to learn the lessons of the Russia Ukraine war.

Drones don't care what shape soldiers are in. The key is having enough soldiers to overcome the attrition that drones impose.

That said, I do get the irony.
 
I do love Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump completely failing to learn the lessons of the Russia Ukraine war.

Drones don't care what shape soldiers are in. The key is having enough soldiers to overcome the attrition that drones impose.

That said, I do get the irony.
As long as your fat ass can still fit in the chair, you can be as effective at operating a war ship's weapons and sensors as a gym junky.
 
But we knew this was going to happen....

Plus size Texas National Guard members viciously mocked in Chicago after Pete Hegseth warned military must get in shape​


Plus-sized members of the Texas National Guard have been viciously mocked for their weight as they arrived in Chicago for deployment.

The cruel comments come after Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth demanded military personnel must return to 'the highest male standard' in a meeting with commanders last week.

'Do these Texas rolls comply with commandant Hegseth's newest fitness rules,' one critic asked after photos emerged of troops at an Army Reserve center in Illinois.

'Were they stationed at Texas Roadhouse,' another added.


And they'll be kept on for a whole lot longer than those that might need a simple no-shave chit, for reasons.


Austin Powers Laser GIF
 
As long as your fat ass can still fit in the chair, you can be as effective at operating a war ship's weapons and sensors as a gym junky.

Or…you know…just don’t be a fat disgrace.
 
Or…you know…just don’t be a fat disgrace.
In today's war, it's better to be in a fully manned unit filled with soldiers with beards and dad bods than a understrength unit filled with gym buffs.

Because as Ukraine and Russia are finding out, drones don't care how many pull ups you can do, how fast you can run, and how much hair you have on your face.
 
The crazy left would have everyone believe health and discipline are bad for performance.

On another note, I also hear (from babylonbee) James Comey produced a letter from 51 intelligence experts suggesting he has the hallmarks of an innocent man.
 
In today's war, it's better to be in a fully manned unit filled with soldiers with beards and dad bods than a understrength unit filled with gym buffs.

Because as Ukraine and Russia are finding out, drones don't care how many pull ups you can do, how fast you can run, and how much hair you have on your face.
Combat arms unit? I'll take fit soldiers.

Drones being a recent addition to the battle space isn't justification to not be fit. Ukraine also reminded us that CQC still happens.
 
In today's war, it's better to be in a fully manned unit filled with soldiers with beards and dad bods than a understrength unit filled with gym buffs.

Excuses from the fatties is what I hear. You can be in a fully manned unit and still be fit, there is no excuse for it. Fat people in uniform are disguising disgraces who have no self-respect. Get your ass off the couch and MOVE!
 
Combat arms unit? I'll take fit soldiers.

Drones being a recent addition to the battle space isn't justification to not be fit. Ukraine also reminded us that CQC still happens.
Except Pete hasn't said just combat arm soldiers has he?

Regardless, both sides seem to acknowledge that there is a 20-30 mile kill zone, a no man's land where death and destruction via FPV and Fiber optic drones can, in the case of the Russians, cause up to 50 percent casually figures.

Modern warfare is showing that war is a matter of numbers. So 30 fit guys versus 100 unfit guys. Drones kill 25 guys on each side. Which unit would you rather be in? Probably not the unit with 5 guys facing off versus 75.

The lesson of the Ukraine Russia war is get everyone you can to be able to sustain yourself during the attrition. The USA is saying get rid of overweight soldiers and those with beards.

It's the exact opposite of the lesson that should be learned from the Ukraine war. Russia has elite troops,the VDV. They get chewed up as badly as any other unit. Drones don't care. It isn't elite super fit soldiers changing the course of the war, it's the massive numbers of replacements for the dead and wounded that are, and Russia and Ukraine don't care if they are 45 with one working hand, that's enough to keep the war going.
 
Excuses from the fatties is what I hear. You can be in a fully manned unit and still be fit, there is no excuse for it. Fat people in uniform are disguising disgraces who have no self-respect. Get your ass off the couch and MOVE!
And when all the fit soldiers are dead, then what?
 
Except Pete hasn't said just combat arm soldiers has he?
1/3rd a company isnt understrength it's ineffective.

We could drop all fitness and health standards so we can get 500 morbidly obese soldiers instead of just 100 unfit ones.

Hegseth is obviously dog whistling. The US military can't afford to hold all of it's female soldiers to male fitness standards, or everyone to Army Ranger fitness (hyperbole of course). But drones are still not an excuse to go for a Stalin-style quantity over quality mentality.
 
1/3rd a company isnt understrength it's ineffective.
The principle is the same.

Russia, and to a lesser extent, Ukraine, are proving that drones, which are only getting deadlier and being fielded in ever increasing numbers, are causing ever increasing numbers of dead and wounded. Units that are better able to reinforce are going to be more effective than units that focus solely on fitness and beards.
We could drop all fitness and health standards so we can get 500 morbidly obese soldiers instead of just 100 unfit ones.
And that unit of 500 obese soldiers will outlast the unit of 100 unfit ones who themselves would outlast a unit of 50 super fit soldiers.

We can pretend like Russia and Ukraine don't know what they are doing, but fun fact, they are two of the most combat experienced armies in the world right now and we disregard what they are learning at our peril. I've seen the drone strike videos on Reddit, NSFW clearly. When a drone is bearing down on these guys, do you think it matters worth a damn whether they can do 100 push ups, run 15 kms, and 6 pack abs? They turn to meat. And when they need to replaced, and fast, are the Russians training these guys to be to the same standard as their VDV? No. They get someone who knows how to hold a rifle and point them to the enemy and hope they aren't turned to meat as well.
Hegseth is obviously dog whistling. The US military can't afford to hold all of it's female soldiers to male fitness standards, or everyone to Army Ranger fitness (hyperbole of course). But drones are still not an excuse to go for a Stalin-style quantity over quality mentality.
Listen, in a perfect world, fit troops>unfit troops.

In the hellscape that Russia and Ukraine are showing, with drones becoming the leading cause of death for both sides, any troop>fit troops.

If front line units in future peer to peer combat are taking 30-50 percent casualties per assault, the focus needs to be on how to replace those losses, not how fit the replacements are, otherwise you're going to start getting 30 vs 100 engagements with drones still killing those that remain.

The fact that secdef and the CINC of the USA are taking the exact opposite lesson of this when we are quickly ramping up to a period of direct conflict with Russia, who are not even pretending now that they don't view themselves at war with NATO, is highly concerning. Sure, one will learn lessons and pivot as needed, but those lessons will come at a steep cost, and if they had learned the lessons that Russia and Ukraine have been teaching everyone about the realities of what drone warfare looks like, the cost would be far cheaper.
 
Except Pete hasn't said just combat arm soldiers has he?

Regardless, both sides seem to acknowledge that there is a 20-30 mile kill zone, a no man's land where death and destruction via FPV and Fiber optic drones can, in the case of the Russians, cause up to 50 percent casually figures.

Modern warfare is showing that war is a matter of numbers. So 30 fit guys versus 100 unfit guys. Drones kill 25 guys on each side. Which unit would you rather be in? Probably not the unit with 5 guys facing off versus 75.

The lesson of the Ukraine Russia war is get everyone you can to be able to sustain yourself during the attrition. The USA is saying get rid of overweight soldiers and those with beards.

It's the exact opposite of the lesson that should be learned from the Ukraine war. Russia has elite troops,the VDV. They get chewed up as badly as any other unit. Drones don't care. It isn't elite super fit soldiers changing the course of the war, it's the massive numbers of replacements for the dead and wounded that are, and Russia and Ukraine don't care if they are 45 with one working hand, that's enough to keep the war going.
Drones are one thing, but a squad of hackers can do major damage to a country by targeting infra, banking and other basic things that now rely heavily on computers. Fitness helps for sure generally, but there are definitely people that would never meet any standard that we would really want within our walls working for us if we really took cyber seriously when you look at skillsets.

No one has really done much on that overtly, because it's such a potentially massive and wide reaching thing to do, but SK did have some major banking system disruption that they are pretty sure NK did, and there are plenty of examples like Israel killing some Iranian uranium production via viruses. I'm sure the US, Russia, China and others already have killswitches and other dormant backdoors to do that kind of thing, but kind of a cyber nuclear option no one wants to cross.

The CAF perenially sacrifices personnel health and welfare at the altar of 'achieve the mission' regularly, and for a lot of people the unhealthy habits are also a stress response, so when people are covering 3 or 4 jobs, frequently a rank or two higher, and still keeping things kind of going, calling them out on fitness is pretty hypocritical when you are running them into the ground. Because if you take the time for PT during your work day, and don't make up extra hours or try and keep up with mopping the waterfall and get fit, people will bitch about work not getting done.
 
Drones are one thing, but a squad of hackers can do major damage to a country by targeting infra, banking and other basic things that now rely heavily on computers. Fitness helps for sure generally, but there are definitely people that would never meet any standard that we would really want within our walls working for us if we really took cyber seriously when you look at skillsets.

No one has really done much on that overtly, because it's such a potentially massive and wide reaching thing to do, but SK did have some major banking system disruption that they are pretty sure NK did, and there are plenty of examples like Israel killing some Iranian uranium production via viruses. I'm sure the US, Russia, China and others already have killswitches and other dormant backdoors to do that kind of thing, but kind of a cyber nuclear option no one wants to cross.

The CAF perenially sacrifices personnel health and welfare at the altar of 'achieve the mission' regularly, and for a lot of people the unhealthy habits are also a stress response, so when people are covering 3 or 4 jobs, frequently a rank or two higher, and still keeping things kind of going, calling them out on fitness is pretty hypocritical when you are running them into the ground. Because if you take the time for PT during your work day, and don't make up extra hours or try and keep up with mopping the waterfall and get fit, people will bitch about work not getting done.
Yeah, to say the least, for non combat Arms troops, fitness, while great, should not be the end all of their contributions to the military.

But even within the combat Arms, there is a serious argument to be made that fitness should not be the end all of their contributions to the military.

On the Ukrainian side, the western trained troops in their summer offensive took massive losses.

On the Russian side, them emptying their prisons and putting those men in uniform had a more positive impact on the battlefield than tossing in their elite, very fit, paratroopers into the fray.
 
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