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Unless war has suddenly become less stressful than in the past, combat can only be endured for any useful length of time by fit young people. Fully manned units of unfit people are just a strain on the medical system waiting to happen.
Fortunately we are using peacetime to beat the absolute f&ck out of everyone for meaningless taskings, and the occasional actual operation, so we'll be running over with fit, and experienced people by the time we need to actually test our combat resiliency.
 
Canada has one fitness standard that doesn't discriminate between sex and age. Arguably the FORCE standard is lower than the US fitness test for males.

As you know better than I the FORCE test is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a fitness test that indicates readiness for battle for a large slice of the CAF.

It's a good start, but it's probably time to get our heads in the game, before he 'big match' kicks off, which includes tests featuring alot of this kind of stuff:


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I’m not going to argue troops don’t need to be fit. They absolutely should be. I also seen chubbies out PT “fitter” troops. I don’t know how they do it but they do it.
Ecto, meso and endomorphic body plans can be a crazy thing sometimes haha.
I would say that Ukraine has shown us that beards do not make troops ineffective and Russia has shown us that hazing, beatings and austere conditions do not make effective troops.
Well put.
 
I’m not going to argue troops don’t need to be fit. They absolutely should be. I also seen chubbies out PT “fitter” troops. I don’t know how they do it but they do it.

Clearance Divers are renown for being extremely fit (and alcoholic) and consider PT an integral part of their culture and work day. Among Ship's Team Divers, the culture isn't quite the same, but there are still a lot of Ship's Team Divers (especially those that want to eventually go Clearance Diver) who embody this culture of "be as fit as humanly possible."

So, I was a Ship's Team Diving Officer for about 4 years. During that period, I had divers on my team who were pre-Clearance Diver fitness nutjobs, as well as many divers who just enjoyed diving and it was a good secondary duty to get out of cleaning stations and landing gash. What I found was that the fitness level of the divers on my team didn't indicate, ever, whether or not they were good divers. Some of the fittest divers on my team were absolute cluster f**ks in the water. As soon as they'd hit the water, they'd get tangled in their ropes, couldn't control their buoyancy very well, and if it was a night dive, they'd swim in the wrong direction. Conversely, two of my best divers were women who barely ran the 2.4km run in the maximum time and could barely do the minimum push-ups. But when they hit the water, they'd be blasting off at high speed in the right direction before the bubbles cleared and could swim loops upside down around the props without getting fouled in their lines.

No doubt there should be a minimum fitness standard. Without question, being more fit can make you better at your job, if for no other reason than it helps you better deal with stress and sleep deprivation. However, being fit, and more importantly "appearing fit" do not indicate whether or not you are effective at your job, and the required level of fitness is vastly different between jobs in the military.
 

If only there was a friendly country with massive reserves looking to increase production and refinement that they could make a good deal with…
 
My concern, as stated before, is the US military’s primary strength isn’t fit young men; it’s the best stuff, at the right place and right time. Those skills are also perishable.

There have already been cases of tech, intel, admin, and logistic experts being forced out for “reasons.”

Intellectual skills are also perishable. So, an hour of PT per day is great, but at what point does it distract from your primary skills? How, for instance, does a missileer do that while pulling a 24 hour launch shift?

Could you imagine the reaction if you said that all maritime ops types have to spend an hour a day reading USNI and Mahon to keep their mind (their primary combat tool) sharp. The combat arms would be all over themselves about how useless that is.

Hegseth is not a joint warrior and understands very little of how higher HQs, other arms, and sustainability works. I’ll leave it to others to ruminate over how good a small unit infantry leader he was. But certainly, a small unit infantry leader is not well placed to tell everyone else what a modern warrior is.
 
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