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Well, some people aren't taking the post very positively.

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Trump supporters burn MAGA hats after president's AI Jesus post and pope attack

Donald Trump sparked fury among his MAGA base by sharing an AI-generated image depicting himself as Jesus on social media, moments after launching a scathing attack on Pope Leo XIV
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Also more Pope stuff. I'm not sure what the strategy is here between this and the above, other than to piss off several flavours of Christians.

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Trump blasts Pope Leo as ‘weak,’ says he prefers his ‘MAGA’ brother after pontiff’s veiled jabs over Iran war, immigration

“I don’t want a Pope who criticizes the President of the United States because I’m doing exactly what I was elected, IN A LANDSLIDE, to do, setting Record Low Numbers in Crime, and creating t…
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Furniture said:
I have a cousin who is an ordained Wesleyan minister, and is also a big Trump supporter... It seems to be a somewhat normal sort of mental gymnastics for many American Christians.
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Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
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That's fair, it may play a part. I also suspect the echo chambers in which they exist, which portray the other side as being comprised of degenerates and pedophiles, also play a significant part.
 
There are not really any leaders who could meet a religious standard. Religious people choose from what is actually available, in line with their interests, as do everyone else. Even some Amish vote.

There are only two practical candidates in any presidential election. One of the parties has a much greater propensity to put pressure on religious freedoms. Not hard to figure out.
 
Furniture said:
I have a cousin who is an ordained Wesleyan minister, and is also a big Trump supporter... It seems to be a somewhat normal sort of mental gymnastics for many American Christians.
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It's a thing called prosperity theology. It posits that prayer and donation leads to individual wealth. A big thing amongst many evangelical Protestant churches because it means that attendees will get rich so it appeals to the rich and poor. Also the church get rich by the donations. But like indulgences.

As opposed to liberation theology that states the poor are of exceptional concern to god and the church should be focused on improving their condition. See Oscar Romero and to a lesser extent Pope Francis.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
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Since when did you start warning people?

Must be getting soft in your old age ;)
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
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I decline to be an atheist, as it requires far to much faith to say "There is no god". I prefer to say: "It's unlikely that a superior being cares, if you wear a particular hat, or how many times you pray a day and did not write your book." However that being if they exist, may have encoded our DNA to do certain things or seek out them.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Since when did you start warning people?

Must be getting soft in your old age ;)
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I usually revert to the quote from Philip Caputo's A Rumour of War - "ambush is killing and killing is fun....", but that is a rather draconian tactic that I am realising does nothing to engender productive discussions.

Having said that, I still consider a throat punch (or implied threat thereof) to be a useful tool in meetings.....:cool:
 
RangerRay said:
If I were a devout Christian, I would think that would be blasphemous and contrary to the First Commandment.
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Well, it appears POTUS47's .... cooling a bit on Big Catholic Inc. ....
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... while Big Catholic Inc. seems to be taking it in stride ...
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Pope on board plane to Algeria: ‘I am not a politician, I speak of the Gospel' - Vatican News

During the flight to Algeria, Pope Leo XIV responds to questions regarding US President Donald Trump's recent statements, saying he is "not a ...
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Pope Leo XIV says he does not fear Trump in feud over Iran war - National | Globalnews.ca

U.S.-born Pope Leo XIV told reporters that the Vatican’s appeals for peace and reconciliation are rooted in the Gospel, and that he doesn’t fear the Trump administration.
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... and Catholic media sharing less-than-optimal uptake.
 
brihard said:
I think that sort of evangelism in the IS is as much cultural as it is religious, and to be blunt, the purported religious values seem very flexible in order to conform to the culture. It is what it is.
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I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
 
AKa said:
In all fairness, you can't compare the Pope to Trump wrt to crime. There are very few public figures better at crime than Trump in this age
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"Let me tell you something......no one does crime better then me, I am the crime boss extraordinaire " - Trump, probably
 
lenaitch said:
I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
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Or on their skin....

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Pete Hegseth’s Tattoos and the Crusading Obsession of the Far Right

The symbols sported by Trump’s defense pick reveal how the medieval past is being reimagined by Christian nationalists, behind a shield of plausible deniability
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lenaitch said:
I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
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It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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That describes the colonies.

The most accurate description of the religious aspect of the founding of the US is that it was founded with deist beliefs, and the deists were mostly flavours of Protestant.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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More like they were kicked out of Europe after trying to force their Puritan nonsense on everyone there and they had enough.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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Those 'Fringe Prots Escaping Censure' were always a bit too wishy washy for my liking.

"Oh... so your pal Cromwell got the chop so now you're deserting your country...." .... sheesh

For a proper, bad boy, kick ass proselytizer/colonizer give me a fanatical, Jesuit, 'Soldier of Christ' every time ;)

 
Brad Sallows said:
That describes the colonies.

The most accurate description of the religious aspect of the founding of the US is that it was founded with deist beliefs, and the deists were mostly flavours of Protestant.
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The Colonies became the US - did the religious make up of the 13 colonies change/alter in any meaningful way from 1776 to 1800? No it did not.
 
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