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Trump administration 2024-2028

PPCLI Guy said:
Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
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Since when did you start warning people?

Must be getting soft in your old age ;)
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Warning. What follows is my personal opinion. Not intended as a slight on people who identify as Christians or Mormons, or any other belief system

It could be that religious belief requires a suspension of credulity - also called faith. Once one is prone to making "leaps of faith" in the absence of evidence, false idols are equally "believable". This could explain the fascination with celebrities etc.

Again, my opinion.
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I decline to be an atheist, as it requires far to much faith to say "There is no god". I prefer to say: "It's unlikely that a superior being cares, if you wear a particular hat, or how many times you pray a day and did not write your book." However that being if they exist, may have encoded our DNA to do certain things or seek out them.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Since when did you start warning people?

Must be getting soft in your old age ;)
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I usually revert to the quote from Philip Caputo's A Rumour of War - "ambush is killing and killing is fun....", but that is a rather draconian tactic that I am realising does nothing to engender productive discussions.

Having said that, I still consider a throat punch (or implied threat thereof) to be a useful tool in meetings.....:cool:
 
RangerRay said:
If I were a devout Christian, I would think that would be blasphemous and contrary to the First Commandment.
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Well, it appears POTUS47's .... cooling a bit on Big Catholic Inc. ....
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... while Big Catholic Inc. seems to be taking it in stride ...
www.vaticannews.va

Pope on board plane to Algeria: ‘I am not a politician, I speak of the Gospel' - Vatican News

During the flight to Algeria, Pope Leo XIV responds to questions regarding US President Donald Trump's recent statements, saying he is "not a ...
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globalnews.ca

Pope Leo XIV says he does not fear Trump in feud over Iran war - National | Globalnews.ca

U.S.-born Pope Leo XIV told reporters that the Vatican’s appeals for peace and reconciliation are rooted in the Gospel, and that he doesn’t fear the Trump administration.
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... and Catholic media sharing less-than-optimal uptake.
 
brihard said:
I think that sort of evangelism in the IS is as much cultural as it is religious, and to be blunt, the purported religious values seem very flexible in order to conform to the culture. It is what it is.
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I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
 
In all fairness, you can't compare the Pope to Trump wrt to crime. There are very few public figures better at crime than Trump in this age
 
AKa said:
In all fairness, you can't compare the Pope to Trump wrt to crime. There are very few public figures better at crime than Trump in this age
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"Let me tell you something......no one does crime better then me, I am the crime boss extraordinaire " - Trump, probably
 
lenaitch said:
I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
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Or on their skin....

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Pete Hegseth’s Tattoos and the Crusading Obsession of the Far Right

The symbols sported by Trump’s defense pick reveal how the medieval past is being reimagined by Christian nationalists, behind a shield of plausible deniability
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lenaitch said:
I agree. It is a common thread in American culture to 'wear things on their sleeve', including religion and politics, so is consistent with evangelical aspects of activism and outreach. Couple that with a widely held believe that the US is a 'Christian nation' and was founded on Christian values lends a fair bit of empowerment to the Christian nationalism movement.
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It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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That describes the colonies.

The most accurate description of the religious aspect of the founding of the US is that it was founded with deist beliefs, and the deists were mostly flavours of Protestant.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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More like they were kicked out of Europe after trying to force their Puritan nonsense on everyone there and they had enough.
 
Czech_pivo said:
It was 'founded' by a significant number of fringe (at the time) splinter Protestants groups looking for 'freedom' to practice their unique beliefs away from the eyes of the majority and their governments.
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Those 'Fringe Prots Escaping Censure' were always a bit too wishy washy for my liking.

"Oh... so your pal Cromwell got the chop so now you're deserting your country...." .... sheesh

For a proper, bad boy, kick ass proselytizer/colonizer give me a fanatical, Jesuit, 'Soldier of Christ' every time ;)

 
Brad Sallows said:
That describes the colonies.

The most accurate description of the religious aspect of the founding of the US is that it was founded with deist beliefs, and the deists were mostly flavours of Protestant.
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The Colonies became the US - did the religious make up of the 13 colonies change/alter in any meaningful way from 1776 to 1800? No it did not.
 
'Nowhere close..."

He won't be happy, as per SOP...


US judge dismisses $10bn Trump defamation suit against Wall Street Journal​



A US judge has dismissed a case against the publisher of the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) over a story about ties the US president had to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump sued the American newspaper and its owners including Rupert Murdoch in a Florida federal court last summer, asking for at least $10bn (£7.4bn) in damages.

The president claimed the newspaper defamed him in a 17 July report that said Trump's name was in a "birthday book" given to Epstein in 2003. In that message, the Journal reported, Trump included a drawing of a woman's body.

Trump's lawyer told the BBC, that the president will refile the "powerhouse" suit.

US District Judge Darrin Gayles said Trump came "nowhere close" to showing the WSJ acted with actual malice towards him, which is the threshold for defamation cases in the US.

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US judge dismisses Trump defamation suit against Wall Street Journal

Trump sued the newspaper and its owners, including Rupert Murdoch, in a Florida federal court over a birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein.
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daftandbarmy said:
Those 'Fringe Prots Escaping Censure' were always a bit too wishy washy for my liking.

"Oh... so your pal Cromwell got the chop so now you're deserting your country...." .... sheesh

For a proper, bad boy, kick ass proselytizer/colonizer give me a fanatical, Jesuit, 'Soldier of Christ' every time ;)

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Lol, but that lot was RC through and through, no splintering among them.

The list of the splinter Prod's going to the US is long and extensive

Quakers
Morvarians
Amish
German Pietists
Puritans
Mennoites
7th day Baptists
etc.

The Statute of Liberty phase - "Give me your tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free" could have applied 150yrs earlier with only a slight modification - 'Give me your tired, poor huddled mass yearning to practice their religion free"
 
Colin Parkinson said:
I decline to be an atheist, as it requires far to much faith to say "There is no god".
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As far as demographics go, perhaps as humans age, they tend to think more about the Hereafter,.

From six years ago,

As of 2020, the median age of white evangelical Protestant adults is 56
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prri.org

2020 PRRI Census of American Religion: County-Level Data on Religious Identity and Diversity

The 2020 PRRI Census of American Religion provides unprecedented county-level data on religious identity and diversity in the United States. Based on interviews with more than 500,000…
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