Trump administration 2024-2028

[Brad Sallows]

Anyone but one.

There are plenty of Democrats who think Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016 and/or 2024. Hillary Clinton is, by her own words, one.

The theory that Trump and his supporters are some kind of unique election-deniers doesn't stand up to scrutiny, unfortunately.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There are plenty of Democrats who think Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016 and/or 2024. Hillary Clinton is, by her own words, one.

The theory that Trump and his supporters are some kind of unique election-deniers doesn't stand up to scrutiny, unfortunately.

Polarization requires polar opposite to work. This road is 50/50, I agree.

 

[FSTO]

A pillar of the American system is that government is instituted to protect the rights of people to conduct their lives as they see fit. Not everyone is going to see fit to be an exemplar of beneficial human endeavour.

The USA is almost absurdly democratic. Elected executive and vice; elected bicameral legislature. Same model in almost every state, where most (all?) also have elected AGs. Some with elected judges. Elections for county officers. Elections for mayors and councils and municipal officers. All free; compulsion is approximately non-existent. All essentially fair as far as anyone can tell, although some jurisdictions seem determined to have few safeguards. In Canada, I cast one vote in a federal election and one vote in a provincial election and a handful of votes in a municipal election, only for mayor and council members. Which is more democratic? If the US isn't democratic, what is Canada?

I'm rather fond of a non-political (as much as it can be) police and judiciary.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm rather fond of a non-political (as much as it can be) police and judiciary.

Appointments and hiring committees certainly don't take the politics out. Rather, they risk concentrating partisan influence. All that you need to control is the committee. Nor is it the case that a committee of professionals should be assumed objective - certainly not if they came up through educational institutions with strongly dominant social and political leanings. I'm not convinced that throwing the question out to the people who are to be policed (or judged) is a bad thing.

"What kind of police force do you want, and how do you want to be policed?"

"What kind of ideological priors do you want your judges to emphasize?"

Not long ago the UK government (under Starmer) moved to exclude some trials from jury trial. A jury basically is putting a question to the people, albeit with a lot more supervision than a vote. Is that a bad thing?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Polarization requires polar opposite to work. This road is 50/50, I agree.

But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.

 

[Halifax Tar]

But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.

People have tried three times (?) to assassinate 47. Don't tell me polarization goes in one direction.

 

[Brad Sallows]

People have tried three times (?) to assassinate 47. Don't tell me polarization goes in one direction.

But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.

No-one else has been provoked by evidence that there were systematic intra- and inter-governmental efforts to undermine, discredit, and if possible, remove them in the wake of a free and fair election.

The investigations initiated and conducted prior to and after the 2016 election did not come anywhere near proving the central premise: "Russian Collusion". (Yes, I know there were some process and fraud convictions and some Russian tie-ins, just as the Clinton campaign's dirt-digging campaign had Russian tie-ins. Those are all irrelevant to the central premise.) Along with coming up empty on that, indisputable evidence emerged that players in the system exhibited strong biases against Trump (eg. systematic deprecation of mitigating information and elevation of militating information, exploitation of gambits customarily not employed and in some cases frowned upon). If "they" had tried to fix him out of office, why wouldn't he suspect "they" would try to fix the following election? Perhaps he would still have denied the 2020 result even without all of that, but perhaps not.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Making America Great Again - here's a recent snapshot on how that's going down south.

Factory job cuts in June neared financial crisis and Covid levels, S&P says​

Factory job cuts in June neared financial crisis and Covid levels, S&P says

Though the firm's manufacturing index ran better than expected for June, it came largely from an inventory rebuild and despite sharp job cuts.

www.cnbc.com

Job cuts at U.S. factories ran near their highest levels since the end of the global financial crisis in 2009 and the Covid-19 pandemic

Manufacturers have indicated job cuts for three of the past four months as they seek to reduce head count over costs and demand concerns.

“Most worrying was the further fall in employment, notably in the manufacturing sector,” Williamson said. “Factory job cuts are running at the highest since 2009 if the pandemic is excluded, reflecting concerns over the sustainability of the recent upturn in demand alongside worries over the escalating cost of raw materials.”

Manufacturing employment has risen by 23,000 in 2026, according to the Bureau of Labor Statis - My 2 cents here - with the US being roughly 9X bigger than us, that would be like Canada having manufacturing employment rising by (23,0000/9) 2,550 jobs in 2026.......
“The survey signals that current output levels are consistent with the economy struggling to grow much faster than a 1% annualized rate in the second quarter,”