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Trump administration 2024-2028

Oldgateboatdriver said:
Anyone but one. ;)
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There are plenty of Democrats who think Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016 and/or 2024. Hillary Clinton is, by her own words, one.

The theory that Trump and his supporters are some kind of unique election-deniers doesn't stand up to scrutiny, unfortunately.
 
Brad Sallows said:
There are plenty of Democrats who think Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016 and/or 2024. Hillary Clinton is, by her own words, one.

The theory that Trump and his supporters are some kind of unique election-deniers doesn't stand up to scrutiny, unfortunately.
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Polarization requires polar opposite to work. This road is 50/50, I agree.
 
Brad Sallows said:
A pillar of the American system is that government is instituted to protect the rights of people to conduct their lives as they see fit. Not everyone is going to see fit to be an exemplar of beneficial human endeavour.

The USA is almost absurdly democratic. Elected executive and vice; elected bicameral legislature. Same model in almost every state, where most (all?) also have elected AGs. Some with elected judges. Elections for county officers. Elections for mayors and councils and municipal officers. All free; compulsion is approximately non-existent. All essentially fair as far as anyone can tell, although some jurisdictions seem determined to have few safeguards. In Canada, I cast one vote in a federal election and one vote in a provincial election and a handful of votes in a municipal election, only for mayor and council members. Which is more democratic? If the US isn't democratic, what is Canada?
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I'm rather fond of a non-political (as much as it can be) police and judiciary.
 
FSTO said:
I'm rather fond of a non-political (as much as it can be) police and judiciary.
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Appointments and hiring committees certainly don't take the politics out. Rather, they risk concentrating partisan influence. All that you need to control is the committee. Nor is it the case that a committee of professionals should be assumed objective - certainly not if they came up through educational institutions with strongly dominant social and political leanings. I'm not convinced that throwing the question out to the people who are to be policed (or judged) is a bad thing.

"What kind of police force do you want, and how do you want to be policed?"

"What kind of ideological priors do you want your judges to emphasize?"

Not long ago the UK government (under Starmer) moved to exclude some trials from jury trial. A jury basically is putting a question to the people, albeit with a lot more supervision than a vote. Is that a bad thing?
 
Halifax Tar said:
Polarization requires polar opposite to work. This road is 50/50, I agree.
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But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.
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People have tried three times (?) to assassinate 47. Don't tell me polarization goes in one direction.
 
Halifax Tar said:
People have tried three times (?) to assassinate 47. Don't tell me polarization goes in one direction.
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
But no one in the US has taken it to the extreme of Trump and his ilk, refusing to accept it even after losing all (not just some) the judicial recourse, and being found to be wrong in every single forum where they have tried to employ. No Democrat or non-MAGA Republican has refused to accept the voter's verdict after court review proved them wrong.
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No-one else has been provoked by evidence that there were systematic intra- and inter-governmental efforts to undermine, discredit, and if possible, remove them in the wake of a free and fair election.

The investigations initiated and conducted prior to and after the 2016 election did not come anywhere near proving the central premise: "Russian Collusion". (Yes, I know there were some process and fraud convictions and some Russian tie-ins, just as the Clinton campaign's dirt-digging campaign had Russian tie-ins. Those are all irrelevant to the central premise.) Along with coming up empty on that, indisputable evidence emerged that players in the system exhibited strong biases against Trump (eg. systematic deprecation of mitigating information and elevation of militating information, exploitation of gambits customarily not employed and in some cases frowned upon). If "they" had tried to fix him out of office, why wouldn't he suspect "they" would try to fix the following election? Perhaps he would still have denied the 2020 result even without all of that, but perhaps not.
 
Making America Great Again - here's a recent snapshot on how that's going down south.

Factory job cuts in June neared financial crisis and Covid levels, S&P says​


www.cnbc.com

Factory job cuts in June neared financial crisis and Covid levels, S&P says

Though the firm's manufacturing index ran better than expected for June, it came largely from an inventory rebuild and despite sharp job cuts.
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Job cuts at U.S. factories ran near their highest levels since the end of the global financial crisis in 2009 and the Covid-19 pandemic

Manufacturers have indicated job cuts for three of the past four months as they seek to reduce head count over costs and demand concerns.

“Most worrying was the further fall in employment, notably in the manufacturing sector,” Williamson said. “Factory job cuts are running at the highest since 2009 if the pandemic is excluded, reflecting concerns over the sustainability of the recent upturn in demand alongside worries over the escalating cost of raw materials.”

Manufacturing employment has risen by 23,000 in 2026, according to the Bureau of Labor Statis - My 2 cents here - with the US being roughly 9X bigger than us, that would be like Canada having manufacturing employment rising by (23,0000/9) 2,550 jobs in 2026.......
“The survey signals that current output levels are consistent with the economy struggling to grow much faster than a 1% annualized rate in the second quarter,”
 
daftandbarmy said:
Because his 'faith' wasn't mathing ;)

https://twitter.com/x/status/2070136454513139727
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Sucks no matter what, but here's hoping this one from earlier this month wasn't flu related :(

Meanwhile, in other news, a commission is recommending a "bridge" spanning the separation of church and state?
www.whitehouse.gov

President Trump Receives Presentation of the Religious Liberty Commission Report

The White House
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
www.usatoday.com

Controversial Trump religious liberty commission releases report

Trump's controversial Religious Liberty Commission released its draft report on religious freedom in the US. Here's what it says.
www.usatoday.com
www.ncronline.org

A Trump commission urges 'bridges' between church and state in sweeping draft report

Bishop Robert Barron said in comments in the Oval Office that "no one on this commission wants an established religion, but we all want the free exercise of religion. We sense that being limited in different ways."
www.ncronline.org www.ncronline.org
www.ewtnnews.com

White House Religious Liberty Commission presents recommendations

The panel urged repeal of the Johnson Amendment, creation of religious liberty violation hotlines, Know Your Rights posters, and presidential religious freedom awards.
www.ewtnnews.com www.ewtnnews.com
Full report attached.
 

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The Bread Guy said:
Sucks no matter what, but here's hoping this one from earlier this month wasn't flu related :(

Meanwhile, in other news, a commission is recommending a "bridge" spanning the separation of church and state?
www.whitehouse.gov

President Trump Receives Presentation of the Religious Liberty Commission Report

The White House
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
www.usatoday.com

Controversial Trump religious liberty commission releases report

Trump's controversial Religious Liberty Commission released its draft report on religious freedom in the US. Here's what it says.
www.usatoday.com
www.ncronline.org

A Trump commission urges 'bridges' between church and state in sweeping draft report

Bishop Robert Barron said in comments in the Oval Office that "no one on this commission wants an established religion, but we all want the free exercise of religion. We sense that being limited in different ways."
www.ncronline.org www.ncronline.org
www.ewtnnews.com

White House Religious Liberty Commission presents recommendations

The panel urged repeal of the Johnson Amendment, creation of religious liberty violation hotlines, Know Your Rights posters, and presidential religious freedom awards.
www.ewtnnews.com www.ewtnnews.com
Full report attached.
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lol, quasi-Theocracy.
 
The Bread Guy said:
Sucks no matter what, but here's hoping this one from earlier this month wasn't flu related :(

Meanwhile, in other news, a commission is recommending a "bridge" spanning the separation of church and state?
www.whitehouse.gov

President Trump Receives Presentation of the Religious Liberty Commission Report

The White House
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
www.usatoday.com

Controversial Trump religious liberty commission releases report

Trump's controversial Religious Liberty Commission released its draft report on religious freedom in the US. Here's what it says.
www.usatoday.com
www.ncronline.org

A Trump commission urges 'bridges' between church and state in sweeping draft report

Bishop Robert Barron said in comments in the Oval Office that "no one on this commission wants an established religion, but we all want the free exercise of religion. We sense that being limited in different ways."
www.ncronline.org www.ncronline.org
www.ewtnnews.com

White House Religious Liberty Commission presents recommendations

The panel urged repeal of the Johnson Amendment, creation of religious liberty violation hotlines, Know Your Rights posters, and presidential religious freedom awards.
www.ewtnnews.com www.ewtnnews.com
Full report attached.
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He was falling asleep during it too..
 
Not a great day for Trump at the Supteme Court:

First, the Supreme Court has upheld the injunction preventing Trump from firing Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook pending the resolution of ongoing litigation. This ruling serves to preserve the independence of the Federal Reserve against executive overreach while litigation is ongoing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071600232861757573

Second. SCOTUS has refused to hear Trump’s final appeal of a part of the first E Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit where the court ruled that he had raped and defamed her. This should finalize that first $5m judgement against him. The second and subsequent $83m lawsuit judgment is still under appeal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071591586090090832

Third, in a voting rights case SCOTUS has ruled that as long as mail-in ballots are postmarked by election day, they may be validly counted if state law allows it. Trump has come out quite strongly against mail in ballots and is trying to hold some legislative matters hostage to Congress passing his preferred version of proposed legislation affecting the administration of elections. Today’s court ruling is likely to be very significant beyond just the mail in issue, as it reinforces the constitutional primacy of the individual states in administering elections.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071595631349530711

EDIT TO ADD: The Chief Justice has said all remaining cases for this term will see decisions issued tomorrow. The big one there will be Barbara v Trump, the Birthright Citizenship case. It’s a class action lawsuit against his executive order stripping citizenship from babies born in the U.S. to parents without residency status. This one is a very big deal politically, and has broader implications in terms of the president’s ability to override provisions of the constitution by executive order.
 
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brihard said:
Not a great day for Trump at the Supteme Court:

First, the Supreme Court has upheld the injunction preventing Trump from firing Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook pending the resolution of ongoing litigation. This ruling serves to preserve the independence of the Federal Reserve against executive overreach while litigation is ongoing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071600232861757573

Second. SCOTUS has refused to hear Trump’s final appeal of a part of the first E Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit where the court ruled that he had raped and defamed her. This should finalize that first $5m judgement against him. The second and subsequent $83m lawsuit judgment is still under appeal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071591586090090832

Third, in a voting rights case SCOTUS has ruled that as long as mail-in ballots are postmarked by election day, they may be validly counted if state law allows it. Trump has come out quite strongly against mail in ballots and is trying to hold some legislative matters hostage to Congress passing his preferred version of proposed legislation affecting the administration of elections. Today’s court ruling is likely to be very significant beyond just the mail in issue, as it reinforces the constitutional primacy of the individual states in administering elections.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071595631349530711

EDIT TO ADD: The Chief Justice has said all remaining cases for this term will see decisions issued tomorrow. The big one there will be Barbara v Trump, the Birthright Citizenship case. It’s a class action lawsuit against his executive order stripping citizenship from babies born in the U.S. to parents without residency status. This one is a very big deal politically, and has broader implications in terms of the president’s ability to override provisions of the constitution by executive order.
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First one wasn't a complete loss for him. Federal Reserve is the only one that got an exemption.

www.nbcwashington.com

Supreme Court rules Trump can fire independent agency members, overturning 90-year-old ruling

The Supreme Court struck down a federal law that restricts the president's ability to fire members of the FTC, expanding presidential control over independent federal agencies.
www.nbcwashington.com www.nbcwashington.com
 
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