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Turmoil in Libya (2011) and post-Gaddafi blowback

    Heiß über Afrikas Boden die Sonne glüht.
    Unsere Panzermotoren singen ihr Lied!
    Deutsche Panzer im Sonnenbrand,
    Stehen zum Kampf gegen England Gadaffi
    Es rasseln die Ketten, es dröhnt der Motor,
    Panzer rollen in Afrika vor!

::)
 
Libyan rebels seek to bring order to chaotic ranks
Opposition forces trying to hold the front line against Moammar Kadafi's army try to bring discipline and order to their efforts. But panic ensues as they come under rocket attack.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-rebels-20110402,0,2651425.story
02 April 2011

Libyan rebels began their Friday with new discipline as they hauled up antitank rockets, imposed rigorous checkpoints and assigned fighters to strategic locations along their front line against Moammar Kadafi's forces in eastern Libya.

But the effort began to unravel by afternoon as scores of unannounced fighters descended on the battlefield and a high-profile visit by one of the acting heads of the rebel army brought a cluster of gunmen around his vehicle, who then fired their Kalashnikov rifles wildly in the air.

Finally, panic ensued as they came under rocket fire from government forces, and scores of rebels abandoned their positions and once more retreated down the highway in disarray.

The back-and-forth on the battlefield hints at a long fight ahead between Kadafi's army and the rebels, who began their uprising six weeks ago.

Libya is now divided in all but name between the rebels in the east and Kadafi in the west........



Libya rebels just learning how to use their guns
Young, inexperienced fighters have left jobs and families to battle Moammar Kadafi's forces. The rebels don't want to end up like their parents, trapped in a police state. But some shoot more photos than bullets.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-rebels-portrait-20110404,0,3750535.story
03 April 2011
He had the tough, focused bearing of a combat veteran. Tall and powerfully built, he wore form-fitting camouflage fatigues, sunglasses and combat boots. A Kalashnikov assault rifle was slung across his chest.

Meet Hussam Bernwi, insect exterminator. He drove his pest control truck to the front. He's 36 and never been to war before. His newly purchased weapon was dangling from a strap because he needed both hands to videotape battle scenes for the folks back home.........





Libyan envoy takes Gaddafi message to Greece
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-international-us-libtre7270jp-20110308,0,886341.story

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - A Libyan government envoy has begun a trip to Europe to discuss an end to fighting, but gave no sign of any major climbdown in a war that has ground to a stalemate between rebels and forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Abdelati Obeidi flew to Athens on Sunday carrying a personal message from Gaddafi to Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou that Libya wanted the fighting to end, a Greek government official told Reuters.

"It seems that the Libyan authorities are seeking a solution," Foreign Minister Dimitris Droutsas told reporters, adding Obeidi was next due to due travel to Malta and Turkey........





 
Libyan rebels retake much of key oil town
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20110404/libya-rebels-control-brega-gadhafi-envoy-europe-trip-110404/
BREGA, Libya — Libyan rebels on Monday took back much of a strategic oil town that has repeatedly changed hands in weeks of battles with Moammar Gadhafi's forces along the nation's northern coast.

There were bursts of artillery and shelling from Gadhafi's forces in the west as rebels pushed into eastern sections of the town. Women and children were seen fleeing Brega as the battle raged.

"New Brega is under control of our forces and we are mopping up around the university," said Lt. Muftah Omar Hamza, a former member of Libya's air force who had a satellite phone and a GPS around his neck.

Brega stretches out over several miles of the coast and is concentrated in three main sections: New Brega, a largely residential area on the east end; West Brega, which includes a refinery and housing for oil workers; and a university between them. West Brega was still contested.

The uprising that began in February against Gadhafi's 42-year rule has reached a stalemate, with a series of towns along one stretch of Mediterranean coastline passing back and forth multiple times between the two sides. Though the regime's forces are more powerful and plentiful, they have been unable to decisively defeat a poorly equipped and badly organized rebel force backed by NATO airstrikes that have kept the Gadhafi loyalists in check.

Rebel forces made up of defected army units and armed civilians have seized much of Libya's eastern coast, but have been unable to push westward toward the capital, Tripoli. Two rebel advances on Sirte, a Gadhafi stronghold on the road to Tripoli, were cut well short, and government forces pushed the opposition back 160 kilometres or more after each attempt. Rebels were hoping for more this time. ....



Italy Recognizes Libyan Rebel Council
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Libyan-Rebels-Make-Gains-in-Key-Oil-Town-119199809.html

Italy has become the third nation to declare the Libyan rebel interim council as the only legitimate government in the North African country, dealing a blow to separate diplomatic efforts by Moammar Gadhafi's government, as well as by two of his sons.

In Rome Monday, Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Italy has decided to recognize the Transitional National Council as the only legitimate representative of the Libyan people.  He said Italy plans to send an envoy to the eastern city of Benghazi - where the rebels' government is based - within days.

Italy follows France and Qatar in recognizing the rebel council.  Frattini welcomed rebel envoy Ali al-Essawi, who said an idea to replace Mr. Gadhafi with one of his sons is unacceptable.

The New York Times reported that at least two of the Libyan leader's sons have proposed Mr. Gadhafi relinquish power for a transition to constitutional democracy under the direction of his son, Seif al-Islam Gadhafi.

But government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim said Monday that while Libya is ready for a "political solution" with world powers, Mr. Gadhafi's future is non-negotiable.  He said Libya could have "elections, referendums, anything" - but that Mr. Gadhafi must lead any political transition.

State television showed the Libyan leader briefly waving to supporters Monday outside his compound in Tripoli.  It was Mr. Gadhafi's first public appearance in more than a week.

In Ankara, acting Libyan Foreign Minister Abdul-Ati al-Obeidi held talks with senior Turkish officials on brokering a cease-fire with opposition forces.  Turkey said it expects to host representatives from the rebel national council in the next few days........

 
Considering that Fidel Castro could potentially be losing another key alley of his in  Muammar  Gaddafi. Even though: Brazil Argentina, Venezuela, Iran, New Zealand, Iran, China still remain diplomatic relations with his country. Yet this potential lose could impact the Cuban economy since the Cubans will not have a significant ally in that region.  Castro does seem to be attempting to have more dialogue with The United States recently with Jimmy Carter there. Possibly this change in rule of government in Libya could have an impact on the political situation in Cuba. Here is the article concerning Jimmy Carter in Cuba.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35134
 
PM boost Libya jet numbers at Italian base
(AFP)

GIOIA DEL COLLE, Italy — Prime Minister David Cameron made a surprise visit Monday to the Italian base hosting British jets enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya, and announced four more planes for the mission.

Flying into Gioia del Colle in southern Italy, he said Britain would be deploying four new Tornado jets "in the next couple of days" to boost the NATO-led mission to protect civilians from Moamer Kadhafi's forces.

"Which will mean we will have 10 Typhoons for the mission in terms of the no-fly zone and we'll have a total of 12 Tornado ground attack aircraft involved in operations," he told reporters travelling with him.

Cameron said his brief visit was intended to give him an opportunity to congratulate the Typhoon and Tornado pilots and their crews on "an incredible job".

In his first trip to the military base since the operation, Cameron said the British jets had saved "literally thousands of lives in Benghazi and elsewhere in Libya".

"The whole country should be proud of what they've done. They've responded incredibly quickly, they've flown many sorties, they've been extremely successful in holding back Kadhafi's forces," he told reporters.

"Just over the weekend they have destroyed ten armoured vehicles and three tanks and they have flown a huge number of missions very rapidly and, as ever, very brilliantly."

Cameron was due to have a cup of tea with some of the pilots and view the planes during his brief visit, as well as receive a briefing on the operation.

The British jets have been at Gioia del Colle since the day after military action against pro-regime forces began on March 19, and have flown more than 70 combat sorties, officials said.
 
So who are these rebels we are flying air strikes for anyway?

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/cut-gaddafis-throat-then-establish-an-islamic-state/?print=1

Libyan Rebel Commander: ‘Cut Gaddafi’s Throat, Then Establish an Islamic State’

Posted By John Rosenthal On April 4, 2011 @ 2:02 pm In Africa,Culture,Libya,Media,Politics,Religion,World News | 31 Comments

“The Jihadists Go to the Front.” This is the title of French journalist Julien Fouchet’s report [1] from eastern Libya that appears in the latest edition of the French Sunday paper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD). Whereas American officials have been straining to make out “flickers” of intelligence suggesting a jihadist influence in the eastern Libyan rebellion against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, Fouchet encountered a flagrant jihadist presence and met with participants who talked openly about their dedication to jihad and/or their desire to establish an Islamic state.

On the front near the oil-producing town of Brega, for instance, Fouchet spotted a bearded commander on a sand dune giving orders by satellite phone. The man wore the traditional robe favored by the Salafist current of Islamic fundamentalism and had a Kalashnikov slung over his shoulder. “You can’t speak to him,” rebel fighters told Fouchet. “He is not fighting for Libya. If he is fighting today, it’s for Allah.” Fouchet describes seeing imams driving among the ranks of the rebel fighters in a pick-up truck and reciting prayers over a loudspeaker.

Further to the east in Darnah, one of the strongholds of the rebellion, Fouchet met a certain Sheikh Choukri Al-Hasy, the director of the town’s principal mosque: the al-Sahaba mosque. As previously reported on PJM [2], according to captured al-Qaeda personnel records, Darnah furnished more foreign fighters to al-Qaeda in Iraq than any other foreign city or town — this despite the fact that the town’s total population is only 80,000. According to Fouchet’s account, the mosque contains a mausoleum where some 70 companions of the prophet Mohammed are reputedly buried. Seventeen rebel fighters are now buried nearby. “Those who followed the prophet Mohammed were the first jihadists,” Al-Hasy explained. “So, it’s normal that we are burying our martyrs next to them….”

Photos taken by Fouchet for the French photo agency Abaca Press show a wall of the mosque covered with portraits of the town’s “martyrs.” The captions to the Abaca Press images reveal a detail that is not mentioned in Fouchet’s JDD report. The “martyrs” commemorated at Darnah’s Al-Sahaba mosque also include locals who died fighting in Iraq. (Thumbnails of the Abaca Press photos are viewable here [3].)

In Darnah, Fouchet also spoke to a rebel commander whom he identifies as “Hakim al-Sadi.” The commander in question is presumably in fact Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, who, as reported on PJM [4], has admitted to fighting on the side of al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, as well as to recruiting Libyans to fight with al-Qaeda in Iraq. The biographical details attributed by Fouchet to “al-Sadi” correspond to the known details of the biography of al-Hasadi. These include his settling in Afghanistan prior to the 9/11 terror attacks and the subsequent American-led invasion, his detention by American forces in Pakistan in 2002, and his transfer to and imprisonment in his home country Libya.

Interestingly, Fouchet says that he spoke to “al-Sadi” as the latter was “leaving for the front to coordinate operations.” “In the past,” the rebel commander told Fouchet, “I didn’t like NATO. They fired missiles on Afghanistan. Now that they are helping us in Libya, it’s different. But if there are problems with them, if they begin to occupy our country, we can turn on them in the click of your fingers.”

As to his goals, “al-Sadi” explained to Fouchet that he had rejoined the jihad in order to “cut Gaddafi’s throat and establish an Islamic state.” Libyan government claims that al-Hasadi had declared an “Islamic emirate” in Darnah have been widely dismissed as propaganda by Western observers.

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URLs in this post:

[1] Julien Fouchet’s report: http://www.lejdd.fr/International/Afrique/Actualite/Al-Qaida-s-implique-en-Libye-293649/?from=headlines

[2] reported on PJM: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/saving-the-libyan-islamists/

[3] here: http://www.eastnews.pl/pictures/result?phrase=fouchet&news

[4] as reported on PJM: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/rebel-commander-in-libya-fought-against-u-s-in-afghanistan/

and the inevitable fallout:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/print/news/world/2011/04/america-may-be-involved-libya-many-years-experts-say

America may be involved in Libya for many years, experts say

The United States is in Libya for the long haul, whether the Obama administration likes it or not, and weeding out al Qaeda infiltrators from the opposition bent on taking over control of the country from strongman Moammar Gadhafi will be an enormous challenge, experts said.

Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and senior adviser to three U.S. presidents on Middle East and South Asian issues, told The Examiner that "mission creep" is almost a certainty in Libya.

He said the United States and NATO should twist the arms of opposition leaders to force al Qaeda out of their coalition, if they want to be supplied with weapons and aid from allies. "We have to recognize, whether we like it or not, we own this problem now," said Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "The notion that you can intervene and walk away from it is very disingenuous," said Riedel. "Half measures are likely to produce failed outcomes. As much as the administration wants to reassure this is no major operation, it is. Once you're in it's very difficult to get out."

Al Qaeda is raiding Libya's vast weapon coffers, according to news reports from the region, making it more critical that extremist elements are kept from gaining more strength within the loose confederation of opposition groups in that country, experts said. Gadhafi's stockpile includes surface to air missiles, which would be a devastating weapon in the hands of terrorists associated with al Qaeda. The missiles guide themselves to an aircraft after locking onto its heat signature.

"There is reason to believe that al Qaeda has access to Libyan weapons," said one U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "What weapons they've actually acquired is not really known at this time."

Pentagon officials said they could not comment at this time on those reports.

Former National Security Adviser James Jones told CNN Sunday that "there is no real clarity," regarding the Libyan strategy. He added that elements of extremists are in the ranks and they should be identified.

"If you start from the proposition that the reason for committing our forces, as Americans or as part of NATO, was basically to avoid a massacre of innocent civilians, which probably would have happened, now we're there," Jones said. "Now we have to follow the rest of the trail to identify these people, then decide whether that's meritorious or not in terms of training, organizing, equipping."

Jim Phillips, senior analyst with the Heritage Foundation said al Qaeda fighters from Libya have played a major role in operations by the terrorist group, and that any aid to the Libyan opposition should be done with caution.

A number of "top al Qaeda leaders have been Libyan and the Libyan city of Derna provided more foreign recruits to the al Qaeda in Iraq organization than any foreign city except for Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, according to captured documents," he said. "That said, it is unclear how much of the rebel fighting force is made up of al Qaeda sympathizers." Phillips added that probably no more than 10 percent of the Libyan opposition is composed of fighters with a connection to al Qaeda. "But it remains a reason for concern and will be a factor that should make the United States think twice about arming the opposition," he said.

It will be a difficult challenge for CIA operatives who are now in Libya to identify the terrorist fighters who have infiltrated the opposition forces. Extremist groups, who have long opposed Gadhafi, will use their knowledge of the tribal divisions and the terrain to their advantage, said Riedel, the former CIA officer.

"They want to expand the safe haven and impose themselves in the opposition," he said. "It will not be an easy task for the CIA to retrieve the information. I think it needs to be taken extremely seriously."

However, using the opposition leadership to clean out al Qaeda from their fighting force may be possible, as they need NATO and U.S. aid to get weapons and technology to fight Gadhafi forces, he said.

When the United States entered Bosnia-Herzegoniva in 1995, the rebel fighter were being aided by jihadist extremists and Iranians. "We said if you want our support you're going to have to clean up your act and that's what they did for the most part," Riedel added.

Sara A. Carter is The Washington Examiner's national security correspondent. She can be reached at scarter@washingtonexaminer.com.
 
Gaddafi planned civilian killings: ICC
Angus MacSwan, Reuters
05 April 2011


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Gaddafi+planned+civilian+killings/4561979/story.html


The International Criminal Court has evidence Muammar Gaddafi’s government planned to put down protests by killing civilians before the uprising in Libya broke out, the ICC’s prosecutor said on Tuesday.

Protests against the government that began on Feb. 15 swiftly descended into civil war after Col. Gaddafi’s forces opened fire on demonstrators. He then put down uprisings in Libya’s west, leaving the east and the city of Misrata in rebel hands.

NATO-led air power is now holding the balance in Libya, preventing Col. Gaddafi’s forces from overrunning the seven-week old revolt, but unable for now to hand the rebels outright victory.

The United Nations Security Council, which on March 17 sanctioned air strikes on Libyan government forces to prevent them killing civilians, in February referred Libya to the ICC, the world’s first permanent war crimes court.

Court prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo is to report back to the U.N. on May 4, and is then expected to request arrest warrants.

"We have evidence that after the Tunisia and Egypt conflicts in January, people in the regime were planning how to control demonstrations inside Libya," Mr. Moreno-Ocampo told Reuters.

"They were hiding that from people outside and they were planning how to manage the crowds ... the evidence we have is that the shooting of civilians was a pre-determined plan.".............
 
What is with these places beheading people? I just stumbled across a video of rebels cutting the head off a mercenary in Libya over on LiveLeak.

I'm sorry, but I cannot support people like that. No one deserves to die in that way, especially in the manner of how they went about removing the head.
 
HavokFour said:
What is with these places beheading people? I just stumbled across a video of rebels cutting the head off a mercenary in Libya over on LiveLeak.

I'm sorry, but I cannot support people like that. No one deserves to die in that way, especially in the manner of how they went about removing the head.

I hear that!

I had been supportive at the beginning and had been visiting various sites set up by Libyan "Opposition", but after a time, I began to sour on this whole adventure. I too had begun to see many of those videos of attrocities committed not by Gaddafi, but by the so called "Freedom Fighters". It is absolutely disgusting. The kind of things that would make shock the average Westerner right to their core.

When I really began to see the underlying tones of some of these supposed sites set up by those "seeking democracy", I began to start to question them for clarification. I began to see more and more of the America and the West are the biggest terrorists of all, jew this, jew that, but let it slide until I could not take it anymore.

Here is a link to a main Opposition site that many have been citing and going to. It was in a post about the NATO strike that hit rebels where I finally blew my stack.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/video-aftermath-of-nato-fighter-jet-raid-on-revolutionaries/#comments

I also had begun to point out many of the attrocities committed by Rebels that were showing up on LiveLeak and other sites, and everyone there seems to act like apologists for extremists, like when they do it, they somehow hold the moral high ground. It is sickening.

These are the people our taxpayers and military are supporting?? Really? REALLY?????

The West has been completely hookwinked on Libya. We have really had the wool pulled over our eyes on this one. Popular uprising my ass. This is a full on CIVIL WAR were both sides are knee deep in savagery.

We cant get out of this situation soon enough.
 
HavokFour said:
What is with these places beheading people? I just stumbled across a video of rebels cutting the head off a mercenary in Libya over on LiveLeak.

I'm sorry, but I cannot support people like that. No one deserves to die in that way, especially in the manner of how they went about removing the head.

Its a digusting practice. But youre right- its like the goto move in that area now. It makes me question the type of leadership these folks will set up and maybe whos lurking in the back ground. I read a thing about beheadings and Islam (I use the term loosely) a while back but Im hazy on the details-.

Heres an article, m not sure of the source but there are several similar conclusions in many places.

http://www.meforum.org/713/beheading-in-the-name-of-islam

A Quran verse-  Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."

But Im no expert- there could be legitimate context to this verse but some may just take it as instruction or permission.
 
This one was posted recently on the LibyaFeb17.com site, here is what their ummmmm.... "General" had to say about NATO a few hours ago.........

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Unfortunately we missed the conference, but we bring you @ChangeInLibya‘s tweets that both translate and document AbdulFattah Younis’s main points. Thanks @ChangeInLibya, excellent job!

Why did NATO stop a small fishing trawler from giving aid to Misrata? These people are getting massacred daily

Misrata hasn’t had water for 30 days, and when people started drinking from wells, Gaddafi blocked the sewage pipes.

NATO is treating us like beggars, giving us an air strike every other day while people in Misrata are killed daily

The reaction time of NATO is extremely slow. We give them the co-ordinates of Gaddafi militias daily

NATO takes 8 hours to act on the information we give them, and by then it is too late for the strikes to do any good

If NATO continues to stall, we will take our case to the United Nations and find another solution

We have our own jets, and even when we request permission for a flight, we are denied

They don’t let us use OUR own jets, and their jets take hours to act. How can we allow this? This doesn’t help at all

We do our best to protect the oil fields in the south, and we have a small amount of revolutionaries guarding them

The damage that Gaddafi militias did to the oil fields in the south is big, but we’re working on fixing them

Gaddafi is very jealous, he doesn’t want the Libyan people to enjoy their oil, now that they are free

Our problem and bottleneck now is NATO (laughs) – they are the ones taking hours to use the info we give them

We can fix any damage Gaddafi militias did to the oil fields in the matter of days

**Commotion in the Abdelfatah Younis press conference after a person charged in and tried to say something**

We send more and more soldiers to the battle front in Brega daily

Therefore, it is not possible for us to retreat any more, we are getting stronger and stronger at the front

Abdelfatah Younis to dissident: Under my command in Gaddafi’s time, not a single policeman or soldier fired on a civilian in Libya

This is why when the demonstrations started and people were killed,I felt that I had to defect

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This from a guy who was nowhere to be seen until the last week.  Nothing but a former Gaddafi loyalist, now playing the FREE OPPOSITION card.

How did we get into this??? There was like some serendipity effect where the the Ignatief Election Call and the UN action in Libya overlapped, and Canada was quietly pulled into a new war. Are we simply destined to be pulled further and further into this??? How will we possibly be able to extricate overselves from this mess now???

Welcome to Libya folks!

 
CanadaPhil said:
If NATO continues to stall, we will take our case to the United Nations and find another solution
I love stand-up comedy; it's all in the timing.  ;D
 
The UK and France want the oil, so lets sit back and watch them mount a (huge) expeditionary force, kick everyone's ass and secure the territory they deem important. We have no dog in this fight.
 
Photos Offer Graphic Evidence of Abuses Under Qaddafi
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/africa/06libya.html?_r=1&ref=world
06 April 2011
ZAWIYAH, Libya — In the second-floor office of a burned-out police station here, the photographs strewn across the floor spun out the stories of the unlucky prisoners who fell into the custody of the brutal government of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

Some depicted corpses bearing the marks of torture. One showed scars down the back of a man dressed only in his underwear, another a naked man face down under a sheet with his hands bound. The faces of the dead bore expressions of horror. Other pictures showed puddles of blood, a table of jars, bottles and powders and, in one, a long saw.

In a labyrinthine basement, workers were clearing out burned books and files. One room contained a two-liter bottle of gin. Gesturing into another room that was kept dark, a worker mimicked a gun with his hands and murmured “Qaddafi,” suggesting it was an execution chamber.

Journalists discovered the photographs and records on an official trip to this devastated city, where Qaddafi forces battled rebels for nearly a week to retake control. They were the latest reminder of the long record of arbitrary violence against civilians that now overshadow the government’s efforts to broker an end to the international airstrikes and domestic rebellion threatening Colonel Qaddafi’s four decades in power.

As Colonel Qaddafi’s son, Seif al-Islam, promised in a television interview to usher in a new era of constitutional democracy in which his father would be a mere figurehead “like the queen of England,” the prosecutor for the International Criminal Court escalated international pressure on the government by declaring that it had deliberately ordered the killing of civilians in a bid to hold back the democratic revolution sweeping the region.

“We have evidence that after the Tunisia and Egypt conflicts, people in the regime were planning how to control demonstrations in Libya,” the prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, told Reuters. “The shootings of civilians was a predetermined plan.”

In the rebel-held city of Misrata in western Libya and on the eastern front with the rebels around the oil town of Brega, Qaddafi forces continued to hammer rebels with rockets, artillery and mortars, as rebel leaders expressed exasperation at the limits of NATO’s support.

In Brussels, Brig. Gen. Mark van Uhm of NATO said Tuesday that Western airstrikes had destroyed about 30 percent of Colonel Qaddafi’s military power.

But Gen. Abdul Fattah Younes, the head of the rebel army, lashed out at his Western allies during a news conference in Benghazi, accusing NATO of tardiness and indecision. “What is NATO doing?” he asked. “Civilians are dying every day. They use the excuse of collateral damage.” ..............
 
Libyan rebels, hoping for one state, prepare for two
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hoping-for-one-state-libyan-rebels-consider-two/2011/04/05/AFxiE2lC_story.html?hpid=z2

By Tara Bahrampour, Tuesday, April 5, 9:43 PM

BENGHAZI, Libya — “One Libya, with Tripoli as its capital” is spray-painted on walls around this rebel city and glides off the tongues of opposition leaders. Moammar Gaddafi will fall in a week, they predict, two at the most, and they’ll build a new country then.

But as weeks stretch into months and progress on the battlefield stalls, this rebel-held area of Libya is settling into its status as a de facto separate state.

Since the February uprising that ended Gaddafi’s rule here, schools and many businesses have remained closed. But police are back on the streets, hospitals are functioning and shops are slowly reopening. Behind the scenes, opposition leaders are feverishly courting international partners as they work to set up a political and economic system for a period of division that some quietly admit may stretch on indefinitely.

A tanker arrived in the rebel-held port of Tobruk on Tuesday to load oil for export, the first time that has happened in nearly three weeks. Although it is unclear whether the rebels will be able to export enough oil to keep the east afloat economically, the tanker’s arrival marked a symbolic step in the rebels’ journey from accidental revolutionaries to governors and statesmen.

Also on Tuesday, rebel leaders for the first time welcomed to Benghazi an official U.S. envoy, who is here both to meet opposition leaders and provide assistance to the fledgling council that runs affairs in the east............
 
The US may not have a dog in this fight, but the few dribbles I pick up indicate that there will be boots on the ground.....Everybody wants the US to be the boots, but the US, for once, is saying "uh uha"......yet, there is a MEU on its way....
 
Further to my earlier comment, here is a link to an updated page at the LibyaFeb17 site with a FULL translation (with VIDEO) of the Rebel "Generals" comments regarding NATO yesterday.....

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/translated-the-complete-press-conference-that-major-general-abdulfatah-younis-gave-today/#comment-4085

At one point, a man tried to disrupt him shouting " YOU KILLED OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES.... YOU KILLED OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES".

Curious... It turns out the "General", before coming over the "Opposition" was actually in charge of the Security Forces cracking down on the initial protesters in Benghazi in Feb.
 
GAP said:
The US may not have a dog in this fight, but the few dribbles I pick up indicate that there will be boots on the ground.....Everybody wants the US to be the boots, but the US, for once, is saying "uh uha"......yet, there is a MEU on its way....

There is a MEU on station.If you recall they participated in the recovery of the USAF pilots. As good as the Marines are it would take alot more than a couple of MEU's to take Tripoli. The administration has decided to pull US combat aircraft from the AO and Obama wont deploy combat troops.Instead they are training and arming the rebels so they can attempt to do it themselves.Good luck with that.
 
The Canadian Press
05 April 2011
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110405/seven-arrested-after-group-tried-to-enter-libyan-embassy-110405/

OTTAWA — Police have arrested seven suspects after an incident at the Libyan embassy.

Police were called in today after a small group pushed its way into the embassy and started causing damage, said RCMP Sgt. Marc Menard.

"A couple of people went to the embassy," Menard said. "The embassy officials opened the door and they pushed their way through and started damaging property."

A worker was apparently attacked during the incident, he added.

"It appears that a common assault to an embassy employee may have occurred."

He says a door was opened to the group before they pushed their way into the embassy lobby and ventured into non-public areas.

RCMP and Ottawa police are still investigating the incident and charges are pending, he said. No names were immediately released.

The RCMP is tasked with the particular responsibility of protecting embassies.

"We take all threats to our protectees very seriously," Menard said.

"Those who unlawfully interfere with or threaten the safety of any person or property will be dealt with in accordance with the laws of Canada."
 
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