U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[The Bread Guy]

Patronage?

Some specific industry & sector expertise to be mined, but politics dial's well above zero, too - a very quick Google-fu of the team ....

• Jean Charest (fmr QC premier, Team Red from Team Blue)
• Rachel Notley (fmr AB premier, Team Orange)
• Stephen McNeil (fmr NS premier, Team Red)
• David MacNaughton (fmr CAN envoy to USA, appointed by Team Red - helped wrestle in the USMCA fight)
• Steve Verheul (former chief negotiator during NAFTA=>USMCA)
• Arlene Dickinson (Comms/venture capital company CEO)
• Linda Hasenfratz (CEO of auto parts maker, part of Team Blue's COVID-19 Ontario vaccine team - gets the auto parts sector???)
• Lana Payne (UNIFOR union pres)
• Jody Thomas (former DM DND)
• Flavio Volpe (pres of Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association (APMA) in Canada - more auto parts expertise??)
• Tabatha Bull (Pres/CEO of Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business)
• Shahrzad Rafati (CEO of "a global media and technology company" - also done some work in other Team Red gov't appointments)
• Hassan Yussuff (former Canada Labour Congress pres)
• Wes Hall (founder/CEO of a "shareholder services and advisory firm" that, among other things, managed Xstrata's takeover of Falconbridge)
• Martin Caron (head of Union des producteurs agricoles - sounds like the "protect the sector" guy)
• Brian Topp (Notley's former Chief of Staff)
• Tim Gitzel (head of Cameco Corporation, one of the world's largest providers of uranium fuel - could be an SK voice for Big Nuke Fuel?)
• Ambassador Kirsten Hillman (current CAN envoy to US)

LATE ADD: Unless one of these folks are Indigenous, that group seems to be missing in the mix, much to the consternation of some.

AFN chief says First Nations should be at the centre of Canada-U.S. tariffs talks

OTTAWA - The national chief of the Assembly of First Nations says First Nations should be at the centre of any discussions on how the country should respond to threats

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

More survey says ....

Most Canadians don’t want to be American, unless it comes with perks: poll | Globalnews.ca

U.S. president-elect Donald Trump has referred to Canada as 'the 51st state' in numerous social media posts, which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pushed back against.

globalnews.ca

From Ipsos ...

 

[brihard]

Some specific industry & sector expertise to be mined, but politics dial's well above zero, too - a very quick Google-fu of the team ....

• Jean Charest (fmr QC premier, Team Red from Team Blue)
• Rachel Notley (fmr AB premier, Team Orange)
• Stephen McNeil (fmr NS premier, Team Red)
• David MacNaughton (fmr CAN envoy to USA, appointed by Team Red - helped wrestle in the USMCA fight)
• Steve Verheul (former chief negotiator during NAFTA=>USMCA)
• Arlene Dickinson (Comms/venture capital company CEO)
• Linda Hasenfratz (CEO of auto parts maker, part of Team Blue's COVID-19 Ontario vaccine team - gets the auto parts sector???)
• Lana Payne (UNIFOR union pres)
• Jody Thomas (former DM DND)
• Flavio Volpe (pres of Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association (APMA) in Canada - more auto parts expertise??)
• Tabatha Bull (Pres/CEO of Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business)
• Shahrzad Rafati (CEO of "a global media and technology company" - also done some work in other Team Red gov't appointments)
• Hassan Yussuff (former Canada Labour Congress pres)
• Wes Hall (founder/CEO of a "shareholder services and advisory firm" that, among other things, managed Xstrata's takeover of Falconbridge)
• Martin Caron (head of Union des producteurs agricoles - sounds like the "protect the sector" guy)
• Brian Topp (Notley's former Chief of Staff): Brian Topp is a political strategist and former Chief of Staff to the Premier of Alberta. He has extensive experience in federal and provincial politics and has been involved in various policy development initiatives.
• Tim Gitzel (head of Cameco Corporation, one of the world's largest providers of uranium fuel - could be an SK voice for Big Nuke Fuel?)
• Ambassador Kirsten Hillman (current CAN envoy to US)

LATE ADD: Unless one of these folks are Indigenous, that group seems to be missing in the mix, much to the consternation of some.

AFN chief says First Nations should be at the centre of Canada-U.S. tariffs talks

OTTAWA - The national chief of the Assembly of First Nations says First Nations should be at the centre of any discussions on how the country should respond to threats

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Indigenous for indigenous’ sake would be meaningless tokenism.

I don’t see any voice for our oil and gas industry, and that’s a problem.

 

[dapaterson]

Indigenous for indigenous’ sake would be meaningless tokenism.

I don’t see any voice for our oil and gas industry, and that’s a problem.

Former AB premier gives some O&G perspective, but...

 

[Jarnhamar]

AFN chief says First Nations should be at the centre of Canada-U.S. tariffs talks

OTTAWA - The national chief of the Assembly of First Nations says First Nations should be at the centre of any discussions on how the country should respond to threats

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

First Nations should be at the centre of any discussions on how the country should respond to threats of tariffs and on territorial sovereignty

Yeah about that, no.

 

[QV]

Former AB premier gives some O&G perspective, but...

Probably the wrong perspective.

 

[Kirkhill]

Former AB premier gives some O&G perspective, but...

Rachel Notley????

 

[Remius]

Some specific industry & sector expertise to be mined, but politics dial's well above zero, too - a very quick Google-fu of the team ....

• Jean Charest (fmr QC premier, Team Red from Team Blue)
• Rachel Notley (fmr AB premier, Team Orange)
• Stephen McNeil (fmr NS premier, Team Red)
• David MacNaughton (fmr CAN envoy to USA, appointed by Team Red - helped wrestle in the USMCA fight)
• Steve Verheul (former chief negotiator during NAFTA=>USMCA)
• Arlene Dickinson (Comms/venture capital company CEO)
• Linda Hasenfratz (CEO of auto parts maker, part of Team Blue's COVID-19 Ontario vaccine team - gets the auto parts sector???)
• Lana Payne (UNIFOR union pres)
• Jody Thomas (former DM DND)
• Flavio Volpe (pres of Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association (APMA) in Canada - more auto parts expertise??)
• Tabatha Bull (Pres/CEO of Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business)
• Shahrzad Rafati (CEO of "a global media and technology company" - also done some work in other Team Red gov't appointments)
• Hassan Yussuff (former Canada Labour Congress pres)
• Wes Hall (founder/CEO of a "shareholder services and advisory firm" that, among other things, managed Xstrata's takeover of Falconbridge)
• Martin Caron (head of Union des producteurs agricoles - sounds like the "protect the sector" guy)
• Brian Topp (Notley's former Chief of Staff): Brian Topp is a political strategist and former Chief of Staff to the Premier of Alberta. He has extensive experience in federal and provincial politics and has been involved in various policy development initiatives.
• Tim Gitzel (head of Cameco Corporation, one of the world's largest providers of uranium fuel - could be an SK voice for Big Nuke Fuel?)
• Ambassador Kirsten Hillman (current CAN envoy to US)

LATE ADD: Unless one of these folks are Indigenous, that group seems to be missing in the mix, much to the consternation of some.

AFN chief says First Nations should be at the centre of Canada-U.S. tariffs talks

OTTAWA - The national chief of the Assembly of First Nations says First Nations should be at the centre of any discussions on how the country should respond to threats

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Tabitha Bull is indigenous.

President & CEO - CCIB

Supporting Indigenous businesses and economic growth

www.ccab.com

 

[Kirkhill]

I remember hearing a comment once on CGAI's Energy Security Cubed podcast that has stuck with me. The statement was something along the lines of "we don't export energy to the United States, we export jobs".

The oil and natural gas we export to the United States feeds American refineries which produce the fuels the US uses to feed its own economy as well as export to the rest of the World. Similarly, the electricity we export to the States powers their manufacturing industries and the raw materials we export allow them to build the products that drive their economy. The same argument can be made for the manufactured components we produce for their automotive and other industries.

To my mind this is the argument that we should be pushing with the incoming US administration as well as the Senators, members of Congress, State Governors, etc. of all the States who's industries we feed. At the same time we continue to address their security concerns (which we should be doing anyway for our own sakes).

This is probably the clearest statement of our problems I have seen.

Historically, Medicine Hat has been known for its large natural gas fields, being immortalized by Rudyard Kipling as having "all hell for a basement". Because of these reserves, the city is known as "The Gas City".

Rich in natural resources including natural gas, coal, clay, and farmland, the town became industrialized and was known in its early days as "the Pittsburgh of the West”. A number of large industries located here, attracted by the cheap and plentiful energy resources. Coal mines, brick works, pottery and glass bottle manufacturing plants, flour mills, etc. became established. Altaglass, an art and functional glass production company operated in Medicine Hat from 1950 to 1988

Cheap energy built Medicine Hat and, latterly, the Alberta and Canadian economies.

Who was the dumfuck that decided it was a good idea to lock that advantage away and chuck the key? Same geezer that decided to lock down Europe's coal mines and gas deposits?

We have cheap energy, if we want to use it. The cheapest energy per gigajoule is probably the one that is easiest, and safest, to transport. The one that the Chinese are building their economy on. Coal.

If the Swedes can burn their trash downtown in a safe and environmentally sound manner, while scrounging every last joule of energy out of the furnace, then we could do the same.

All hail the scrubber.

...

Why is coal so cheap? Because the price has been driven down by political campaigns.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Indigenous for indigenous’ sake would be meaningless tokenism.

I don’t see any voice for our oil and gas industry, and that’s a problem.

Looks like a Nepotism/Patronage fest to me.

Largest Canadian companies by market capitalization

List of the largest companies in Canada by market capitalization, Canada's top publicly traded companies by market cap.

companiesmarketcap.com

The business representation is pathetic....

 

[RangerRay]

Tallest on the right, shortest on the left, around the table .... CONVENE!

Trudeau names ex-premiers, business and union reps to Canada-U.S. relations council

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has formed a new Canada-U.S. relations council to support the federal government as it deals with the incoming Trump administration's vow to impose tariffs.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

From the PM's info-machine ....
View attachment 90536

Oh wow. A complete list of connected has-beens. We’re fooked.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Yeah about that, no.

They do get a fair say, just like every other Canadian. They get a vote just like the rest of us to elect representatives. To me that meets the duty to consult as they are represented by their MP like the rest of us.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Glass half full: public sector flex days will be unaffected

B.C. provides economic assessment of Trump’s tariff threat​

As B.C. continues to fight against threatened United States tariffs of 25% on all Canadian imports, the Province has done a preliminary assessment of potential impacts to the B.C. economy of a trade war with the United States.

In president-elect Donald Trump’s tariffs scenario, B.C. could see a cumulative loss of $69 billion in economic activity between 2025 and 2028. The Province’s real GDP is projected to potentially decline by 0.6% year over year in both 2025 and 2026.

Job losses are estimated at 124,000 by 2028 with the largest declines in natural-resource sector export industries and associated manufacturing. Losses would also be felt in the transportation and retail sectors. The unemployment rate could increase to 6.7% in 2025 and 7.1% in 2026, and corporate profits could see an annual decline in the range of $3.6 billion to $6.1 billion.

BC Gov News

As B.C. continues to fight against threatened United States tariffs of 25% on all Canadian imports, the Province has done a preliminary assessment of potential impacts to the B.C. economy of a trade war with the United States.

news.gov.bc.ca

But the backtracking starts...

Premier Eby no longer promising $500 tax rebate with tariff threat looming​

Amid a U.S. tariff threat, B.C. Premier David Eby launches ministry spending reviews, including possibly axing a $500 tax rebate promised in the last election; the province will also look to diversify trade beyond both the U.S. and China.

Premier Eby no longer promising $500 tax rebate with tariff threat looming

Amid a U.S. tariff threat, B.C. Premier David Eby launches ministry spending reviews, including possibly axing a $500 tax rebate promised in the last election; the province will also look to diversify trade beyond both the U.S. and China.

www.biv.com

 

[OldSolduer]

What's your podcast?

Master of None on Spotify

 

[Brad Sallows]

As widely reported and quoted above, BC's GDP is "projected to potentially decline by 0.6% year over year in both 2025 and 2026" if the threatened tariff is levied.

Earlier news talked about a national slump of roughly 2% of GDP.

Estimates of the costs of interprovincial trade barriers range from 1% to almost 4% of GDP.

Removing internal obstacles would not worsen most Canadians' finances - rather, it would tend to improve economic performance - which is the opposite of what will happen if counter-tariffs and other combative tools are employed. Over to you, PM and premiers.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Tabitha Bull is indigenous.

President & CEO - CCIB

Supporting Indigenous businesses and economic growth

www.ccab.com

Good catch - dopey me pigeonholed her into the "biz only" category.

Looks like a Nepotism/Patronage fest to me.

Largest Canadian companies by market capitalization

List of the largest companies in Canada by market capitalization, Canada's top publicly traded companies by market cap.

companiesmarketcap.com

The business representation is pathetic....

"Business" isn't only banks - looks like at least some of the industries that'll be hit (or could be used as levers?) are here. There are some notable biggies missing (transportation? minerals other than uranium?), but a bigger table would have likely drawn a different type of political fire so ...