U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

[1feral1]

Just more media spin by the left wing ABC, who are just trying/attempting to stir the pot.

Since when were optics rifles or weapons for that matter.

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No big deal.

OWDU

 

[Jungle]

You don't see "Allah Ackbar" stamped on AK-47's or "Death to Infidels" painted on RPG's now do you?  ;D

My guess is if the taliban could write, they would stamp their AKs and paint their RPGs...

 

[Dean22]

My guess is if the taliban could write, they would stamp their AKs and paint their RPGs...

That would increase the cost of a Pakistani AK-47 from $50 USD to $55 USD!!!

Seriously, just because U.S. official policy says one thing doesn't mean it's what they actually do.

They don't want religion in other countries but American currency is in other countries with "In God we Trust" (ok I guess you can argue God is universal to iconoclastic religions)

I doubt the military will do anything about this and I doubt the company will do anything about it since it's probably more so a pain in the *** to change the machinery to stamp different serials.

The U.S. military and many other world militaries don't always follow policy.

No sex on ships (it happens...a lot)

No torture of any kind on POW's (I am sure stress positions etc are still used by all militaries)

No Racism (happens too)






But the bottom line here is people shouldn't be caring about the stamps on these sights since it doesn't matter as long as they work and this is coming from a non-christian.

Next thing you know we'll hear people *****ing about "420" or "9/11" on their guns and equipment.

 

[Jarnhamar]

No sex on ships (it happens...a lot)

Do you know this for  a fact or are you guessing?

But the bottom line here is people shouldn't be caring about the stamps on these sights since it doesn't matter as long as they work and this is coming from a non-christian.
Next thing you know we'll hear people *****ing about "420" or "9/11" on their guns and equipment.

Humm, I'm not so sure.  How many of us would like french separatist BS inscribed on their rifles?
I'm not religious but I sure as hell wouldn't wanna carry around a piece of CF equipment with Islamic verses from the Koran on it.

Some guys wrote little comments on their hand grenades. A few of us wrote on our M203 bombs.  (Mine had happy faces). We write on our vehicles or paint on small pictures (and often get told promptly to remove it).

I don't care if some soldier writes shit on their gear. As far as I'm concerned it's their choice. This company isn't giving anyone the choice.
Well that's not true. The US military bought the sights and issued them I guess you can't blame the company for something hey have in plane sight.

 

[Michael OLeary]

But the bottom line here is people shouldn't be caring about the stamps on these sights since it doesn't matter as long as they work and this is coming from a non-christian.

Next thing you know we'll hear people *****ing about "420" or "9/11" on their guns and equipment.

No, the bottom line is not about whether or not these marking affect the functionality of the sights, the bottom line is about the possibility that certain groups will spin this into a religious and political debate supporting their own views that undermine real progress in the war on terror.

It makes me wonder which groups outside of the US may also be receiving provided these sights. Following this proven example, how many other markings can now be "reinterpreted" to support a broader conspiracy theory. With the right spin put out by the wrong people, it has the potential to go down the same roads (if not on the same scale) as rumours of the use of beef or pork fat to seal cartridges and the resulting problems in 1857.

Your mention of "420" and 911" is a poor attempt at trivializing the issue. You are looking at the technical detail of a marking on a sight, and failing to perceive the broader potential for fallout.

 

[Kilo_302]

They should just remove the inscriptions, period. It is an insult to non-Christian US soldiers,  and it provides the Taliban with talking points. The problems here are so glaring, so obvious, given the optics (pun intended) of the war on terror, that I can hardly believe we are having this discussion.  I thought the values of freedom (both religious and political) were enough to justify killing those who oppose them. We don't need to add the values of Christianity to the equation.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

They should just remove the inscriptions, period. It is an insult to non-Christian US soldiers,

I'll say it again reeeeaaaal slow,  t h e  s a m e  s o l d i e r s  w h o  g e t  p a i d  w i t h  "I n  G o d W e  T r u s t " o n  t h e i r  c a s h ?


Did you sound that out alright?..........and your answer would be?

 

[TheHead]

  I wonder what some people would be saying if they reported that the weapons said "God doesn't exist" or "Allah Ahkbar" .  I for one don't want verses from an ideology I don't agree with planted all over the weapons I use.  My rifle isn't a tool of some shill of God who thinks I'm doing his business.  Why are people  saying the ABC is trying to spin something out of nothing?      Fox11 had the same report so people really need to stop crying about Left leaning media.

 

[gcclarke]

I'll say it again reeeeaaaal slow,  t h e  s a m e  s o l d i e r s  w h o  g e t  p a i d  w i t h  "I n  G o d W e  T r u s t " o n  t h e i r  c a s h ?


Did you sound that out alright?..........and your answer would be?

My answer would be as follows:

A) There is a big difference between acknowledging a non-specific Deity on money, and referencing a specific Deity on weapons that are intended to be used during a war which has been described by the propaganda of the enemy, rather effectively, as a Crusade by members of that particular Deity's faith trying to destroy members of the faith espoused by the vast majority of the enemy in question.

Words on money is a heck of a lot less likely to get more people killed in this matter.

B) I would also argue that the phrase itself being printed on the money is inherently incompatible with the concept of a modern secular government, but let's face it, they've only got one of those on paper.

 

[Fusaki]

I'll say it again reeeeaaaal slow,  t h e  s a m e  s o l d i e r s  w h o  g e t  p a i d  w i t h  "I n  G o d W e  T r u s t " o n  t h e i r  c a s h ?


Did you sound that out alright?..........and your answer would be?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Fusaki]

My guess is if the taliban could write, they would stamp their AKs and paint their RPGs...

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

The Taliban call this a Holy War to garner support among moderate Muslims.  The more we look like Crusaders, the more they can justify Jihad.

The personal feelings of our soldiers towards this religious inscription is pretty irrelevant. The bottom line for us is that Trijicon makes a quality product.  The personal feelings of the Taliban are pretty irrelevant too.  They won't be converted to our side and we're really not too worried about offending them anyways.

The relevant party - the only people who's opinion really matters - are the ones who's opinions lie somewhere between us and the Taliban: Those in the west, the Middle East, and SE Asia who don't understand what we're trying to accomplish.  Ignoring this group is to ignore the REAL battlefield this war is being fought on.

People wonder why the Taliban IO campaign is so successful and why ours sucks.  This is one of the reasons why.  Until we focus on the enemy's centre of gravity - the idea of Jihad - the most we can hope for is a hollow success through a long and bloody war of attrition.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Wow, the things that keep people up at night.  My dog tags had NRE on them from day one, and if I was ever to catch religion, it would probably be Buddhism.  I couldn't give a flying gerbil's sphincter if a piece of equipment had a tiny "Jeebus wubs you" stuck on it somewhere.  Does it help me kill them before they can kill me? Yes? Cool, box em up, I'll take a dozen.  A little religious message no more insults me than a bulk mailer from the local Catholic Church does for their "Super Wacky Giant Jackpot Monster Bingo".

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

If there is a God I know why he hates atheists, the whining they do sucks up all the oxygen he made.......

 

[armyvern]

If there is a God I know why he hates atheists, the whining they do sucks up all the oxygen he made.......

Fuck. That excess-oxygen intake of mine must be what explains all these extra calories finding their way to my ever-fatter ass and thighs. 

Here I thought that oxygen was calorie-free dammit. Perhaps it's time for me to "get religion" just to keep me skinny??  :camo:

 

[mariomike]

That excess-oxygen intake of mine must be what explains all these extra calories finding their way to my ever-fatter ass and thighs. 

Nothing wrong with that! 
( If you'll pardon me saying so )

 

[armyvern]

Nothing wrong with that! 
( If you'll pardon me saying so )

I have no problem with you calling me fat.

Thanks. I think. 

 

[mariomike]

It was meant as a compliment. I doubt very much that you are fat.

Edit to add; Now I think I shall bow out of this thread with a little bit of dignity before I am thrown out!

 

[armyvern]

It was meant as a compliment. I doubt very much that you are fat.

Thank you. Just trust me; I have seen me naked this milleneum.  :-X


Edited to add a bit about the mighty fine job pickle thief did causing this thread highjack.  8)

 

[The Bread Guy]

The Brits?

A spokesperson for Britain's Ministry of Defence told the BBC that the ministry was contacting Trijicon, was unaware of the markings at time of purchase, and understood that the markings might be considered offensive.

New Zealand DF to remove biblical references on optics:

References to biblical passages on gunsights used by New Zealand soldiers in Afghanistan are inappropriate and will be removed, the Defence Minister says.

Wayne Mapp says he was unaware of the references on the Trijicon sights until he saw reports that the US military is reconsidering its contract with the company that makes them.

A spokesperson for the Defence Force, Major Kristian Dunne, says 260 of the sights are in use. The military has been buying them from an American manufacturer since 2004 and was not aware the inscriptions were there ....

USMC to chat up optics manufacturer:

Following an ABC News report that thousands of gun sights used by the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan are inscribed with secret Bible references, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps said the Corps is 'concerned' and will discuss the matter with the weapons manufacturer.

"We are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived," Capt. Geraldine Carey, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps, said in a statement to ABC News. "We will meet with the vendor to discuss future sight procurements." Carey said that when the initial deal was made in 2005 it was the only product that met the Corps needs.

However, a spokesperson for CentCom, the U.S. military's overall command in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he did not understand why the issue was any different from U.S. money with religious inscriptions on it.

Muslim Public Affairs Council writes to US SecDef:

Allowing religious references to be placed on U.S. weaponry, which are bought and paid for by U.S. taxpayers, is unacceptable.  Such inscriptions not only run afoul of the Constitution and U.S. military rules, but they also feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a "crusade against Islam."

 

[The Bread Guy]

This, from Stars & Stripes:

Gen. David Petraeus delivered a stinging criticism of the contractor that imprinted tiny Bible verse numbers on rifle sights used by American and NATO armed forces currently at war in Muslim countries.

“It is disturbing,” the U.S. Central Command leader said in Washington on Thursday. “This is a serious concern to me and to the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan because it indeed conveys a perception that is absolutely contrary to what we have sought to do.”

Shortly after he spoke, ABC News reported that the contractor, Michigan-based Trijicon, had issued a statement vowing to stop distributing military products with the religious references. It also offered to provide “100 modification kits to forces in the field to remove the reference on the already forward deployed optical sights" ....