Updated Army Service Dress project

[Eaglelord17]

Pete? Are you LARPING as a Canadian?

So because I take a full equality stance I am now Hegseth? You all are arguing for sexist double standards.

Canada has dropped standards for years and it is embarrassing. I watched a 380lbs alcoholic pass the force test once, no way he should have stayed in yet nothing was done.

Hegseth is a idiot, however in the context of Canada we have let ourselves go. Discipline is low, fitness is low, and our leadership is too weak to do anything about it. We are more concerned about individuals being individuals than creating a team and working as such. I am happy I am out because I watched us devolve from a somewhat serious force at the end of Afghanistan to whatever we are today.

 

[FSTO]

^^
I’m poking a bit of fun at your argument.
There are a lot of folks, not just in the military could lose a few lbs and we should be more stringent on maintenance of our standards.
But there are a lot of instances when we interact with civilians where full parade dress is too much but field combats is not appropriate.
NECU is authorized at C-Navy but you are always able to wear a higher level. I notice that Topshee rarely interacts with civilians (especially influential ones) wearing NECU.

 

[markppcli]

The reality is that women can fit in clothes made for men, men can't fit in clothes made for women.

I remember Star Trek The Next Generation tried to come up with a gender neutral dress that male actors would wear. I don't think it lasted past the first season. I could just see all the applications for religious exceptions if the CAF tried that.

In the way that a ten year old could wear their dad’s suit. Not really the image we want to project - which is the entire point of service dress.

 

[Halifax Tar]

^^
I’m poking a bit of fun at your argument.
There are a lot of folks, not just in the military could lose a few lbs and we should be more stringent on maintenance of our standards.
But there are a lot of instances when we interact with civilians where full parade dress is too much but field combats is not appropriate.
NECU is authorized at C-Navy but you are always able to wear a higher level. I notice that Topshee rarely interacts with civilians (especially influential ones) wearing NECU.

There is a time for formal/ceremonial dress and there is a time for work dress. CRCN has a lot of formal/ceremonial duties.

 

[Furniture]

I watched a 380lbs alcoholic pass the force test once, no way he should have stayed in yet nothing was done.

So you watched someone pass the test, but still wanted them removed?

Canada we have let ourselves go. Discipline is low, fitness is low, and our leadership is too weak to do anything about it. We are more concerned about individuals being individuals than creating a team and working as such. I am happy I am out because I watched us devolve from a somewhat serious force at the end of Afghanistan to whatever we are today.

The increased number of failures of the FORCE test when it was initially released kinda indicates that the standard was raised for some.

I watched people who "exempted" the EXPRES test struggle and fail the BFT, and watched people who could crush the BFT fail the EXPRES test.

My experience is that people who love to shit on fitness standards tend to be people who love fitness, or have a very specific vision of what a "proper" CAF members looks like. It often has little to do with people's ability to do the job.