US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs ??? - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Remius]

Really? The buck stops with him. If his campaign lied, he knew about it. If not, he shouldn't be in office. He hired them.

As far as him correcting himself, I already addressed that. Coming clean, after you've been exposed, isn't correcting. It's trying to cover your ass and begging forgiveness for getting caught in a lie.

Let's just stick,to the subject and quit trying to whataboutism this to the opposition.

Yes really.

I am pointing out a tactic used by most politicians to avoid answering anything they can be held to. It’s isn’t a defense of it. Just what they do.

We are sticking to the subject. That the MAGA crowd is pointing to lying as a “thing” when they’ve willfully overlooked lying for 8 years is laughable.

You’ve been defending a pathological liar since 2016 and now that is your worry? That Walz was fact checked on something in 2006 that likely has no bearing whatsoever? If you had been a bit more critical of Trump’s multiple incidents of lying and getting fact checking I might take the argument a bit more seriously. If you’ve been accepting his lies for years then this shouldn’t be much of a big deal to you.

 

[dimsum]

Yeah, but what about Walz. Do you not think that his mistruths and omissions make him suspect? Are you willing to accept whatever he says without reserve?

If we’re going to what about, how about Trump and Vance, much more recent than 2006?

Hell, the fact that the GOP has to bring up stuff from the mid 2000s (2004 retirement, 2006 DUI) is telling. It’s not like he dropped out of politics since then.

 

[FJAG]

Really? The buck stops with him. If his campaign lied, he knew about it. If not, he shouldn't be in office. He hired them.

As far as him correcting himself, I already addressed that. Coming clean, after you've been exposed, isn't correcting. It's trying to cover your ass and begging forgiveness for getting caught in a lie.

Let's just stick,to the subject and quit trying to whataboutism this to the opposition.

The Republicans are trying to raise a "character" game. That makes "whataboutism" a live issue. Republicans do not like that because it's a mug's game for them. It is very hard to find someone of a worse character than Trump albeit Vance is trying.

Trying to make a thing out of Walz's honourable retirement after two decades of military service when "Ol' Bonespurs" is the lead on your ticket was an own goal.

I don't know how Republicans can live with their own hypocrisy without drowning in it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I have no problem discussing flaws on either side. I would prefer to discuss them one at a time though. Without the 'oh yeah, well what about Johnny.' That’s all. If you want to talk about Johnny, start a discussion about him.

 

[FJAG]

We all appreciate that, but no single issue is in isolation when this is a two-sided rat-race.

It's simply not realistic to put forward one candidate's flaws - which are undoubtedly being pointed out to show the individual is somehow inadequate for the office for which they are running - without expecting that the opponent's flaws of the same nature won't be trucked out as well.

To expect that there won't be a rebuttal is somewhat akin to the Wizard of Oz's exhortation to "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I don't know how Republicans can live with their own hypocrisy without drowning in it.

The same way the democrats do

 

[FJAG]

The same way the democrats do

True, but IMHO, it's an issue of scale. Democrats are standing in a puddle, Republicans are approaching Lake Superior levels.

This whole US election debate would be a lot less troublesome for me if I wasn't a conservative at heart. But I have to draw a line somewhere.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

We all appreciate that, but no single issue is in isolation when this is a two-sided rat-race.

It's simply not realistic to put forward one candidate's flaws - which are undoubtedly being pointed out to show the individual is somehow inadequate for the office for which they are running - without expecting that the opponent's flaws of the same nature won't be trucked out as well.

To expect that there won't be a rebuttal is somewhat akin to the Wizard of Oz's exhortation to "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

Which then just becomes a dogpile with the side having the most supporters dominating the conversation. I'm not saying don't pay attention to them. Just don't use them as a convenient excuse to switch the focus away from the primary subject. You want to discuss a counterpoint? Put it in another post. ie - Vance is against birth control. Then we can discuss Vance.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

True, but IMHO, it's an issue of scale. Democrats are standing in a puddle, Republicans are approaching Lake Superior levels.

This whole US election debate would be a lot less troublesome for me if I wasn't a conservative at heart. But I have to draw a line somewhere.

The scale is pretty balanced. The democrats aren't standing in a puddle. They're standing in Tiananmen Square wondering how to make the National Mall the same.

 

[dimsum]

I have no problem discussing flaws on either side. I would prefer to discuss them one at a time though. Without the 'oh yeah, well what about Johnny.' That’s all. If you want to talk about Johnny, start a discussion about him.

You brought up “what about Walz”.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

In hindsight, there is no one way to discuss a subject. All the previous about trying to separate out subject material is my opinion only. It would likely make things harder, create too much work and would be impossible to police. Thanks to the few for your input. Probably best to just forget the idea. I can try adjust my own style, but can't expect others to change theirs.

Tanks!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Sounds like they're getting ready to impeach. It might make it harder for Harris to get her message out, if she is ever going to. Maybe a blessing in disguise for her.

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[Quirky]

It might make it harder for Harris to get her message out, if she is ever going to.

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Still waiting for a policy platform, unless it's just Biden 2.0? Trump is mentioned a total of 4 times in their resumes though....

 

[Remius]

Kamala Harris for President

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Still waiting for a policy platform, unless it's just Biden 2.0? Trump is mentioned a total of 4 times in their resumes though....

Yep. They can only go so far without one. If I were advising them it would be to cap off the DNC with the release of said platform. Beyond that they will start losing the initiative and make themselves targets.

If I was the GOP, I would capitalize on that that and claim they are hiding something.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Kamala Harris for President

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Still waiting for a policy platform, unless it's just Biden 2.0? Trump is mentioned a total of 4 times in their resumes though....

It appears the most used word at the DNC was 'Trump'. Almost 150 times on Day One alone. Not economy, not immigration, not policy. Trump held a lot of real-estate at the DNC.

 

[brihard]

Yep. They can only go so far without one. If I were advising them it would be to cap off the DNC with the release of said platform. Beyond that they will start losing the initiative and make themselves targets.

If I was the GOP, I would capitalize on that that and claim they are hiding something.

Bear in mind that whereas for us our PM is a byproduct of the Parliamentary election, in the US they’re separately electing a president, and the entire House and a third of the Senate. Their legislative branch often has an agenda independent of the presidency, though of course they usually overlap quite a bit if one party is in a position to take both.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If things happen tomorrow, like many think, this week (the DNC) might just get knocked off the stage and relegated to page two. Trump and Kennedy will both be in Arizona, with Kennedy expected to drop out of the race. Speculation says he might endorse Trump. It remains to be seen and also if his support goes with him.

 

[Remius]

If things happen tomorrow, like many think, this week (the DNC) might just get knocked off the stage and relegated to page two. Trump and Kennedy will both be in Arizona, with Kennedy expected to drop out of the race. Speculation says he might endorse Trump. It remains to be seen and also if his support goes with him.

It’s possible that the RFK announcement might take some wind out of the Dems but it depends what is served by the DNC. If policy a policy platform does get presented, they may want it kept to page two. The Dems are having a field day so far if the election is about anything but their policies.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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Yep. They can only go so far without one. If I were advising them it would be to cap off the DNC with the release of said platform. Beyond that they will start losing the initiative and make themselves targets.

If I was the GOP, I would capitalize on that that and claim they are hiding something.

She may say something tonight as they close up. She's going to accept the nomination. I don't think she'll want to speak very long so I don't know if she'll have time to cover much of her policy. She's been trying to distance herself from Biden, but he took every opportunity during his speech to tie her to him. Even stating that some of the controversial decisions that were passed because of her tie breaking vote. And it's not gone unnoticed the flip flopping she's been doing on her previous commitments.

I think the GOP should start playing up her socialist agenda, things like seizing patents if corporations don't fall in line with her agenda and the consequences. Although the word socialism doesn't scare people. They should be talking communism and marxism instead. Those are two words that get hackles up in the US.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It’s possible that the RFK announcement might take some wind out of the Dems but it depends what is served by the DNC. If policy a policy platform does get presented, they may want it kept to page two. The Dems are having a field day so far if the election is about anything but their policies.

That's true. But if she doesn't, she can't keep campaigning on slaying the boogeyman. I think her honeymoon is just about over. Now she has to go to work.