Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )

[jbird]

Hey All,

I am currently Navy, a Leading Seaman at the 4th incentive pay level and am not receiving Spec Pay.  I just accepted a VOT offer to the Air Force.  My question is, do I get bumped down to Basic or Level 1 Cpl pay or stay at the 4th level?  Everyone I know that has OT`d has been a Mcpl/MS so their situation is a little different than mine.  I've scoured the forums and could only find info regarding reversion in rank WRT OT and, I am currently away from my unit so asking clerks isn't an option.   

 

[Shamrock]

I have the answer but I don't have the ref handy. But I've always wondered why someone would accept a transfer and not understand the ramifications to his pay implicitly.

The ref you seek are the CBIs - Compensation Benefits Instructions.

 

[Occam]

If you're coming from a Standard pay trade, you simply retain (and even progress in, if you haven't maxed it out) your incentive level at the Cpl Standard pay group.  Nothing changes until you become occupationally qualified at the QL5 level in the new trade; then and only then does Spec pay come into play and incentive levels get moved around.

See the info under the heading "Specialists Pay for NCMS" at http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/pay-sol/pr-sol/index-eng.asp.

See also:  http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/97345.0/all.html and http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/287.0.html.  There's lots of info if you search.

 

[DAA]

Message is out.  See CANFORGEN 139/13 for details.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Anything vastly different from previous years ?  I am on PATA until Jan so I have no access to the MSG system

 

[dardt]

Anything vastly different from previous years ?  I am on PATA until Jan so I have no access to the MSG system

Deleted.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What is/was deleted ?

 

[dardt]

What is/was deleted ?

I posted in the wrong thread, here's the message.

2014/2015 NCM VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER (VOT) PROGRAM
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. CFAO 11-12
B. MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS - HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMP/DPGR/ENGRAPH/REPORTS/EDUSTD(UNDERS CORE)E.ASP?SEC(EQUAL SIGN)2(ANDSIGN)CMPNT(EQUAL SIGN)REGF(ANDSIGN)ORDER(EQUAL SIGN)MOSID(ANDSIGN)SORT(EQUAL SIGN)ASC
C. ADM(HR-MIL) INSTRUCTION 05/05 - PARAS 18 AND 19
D. TERMS OF SERVICE - HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMC/ENGRAPH/TOS (UNDERSCORE)E.ASP?OPENSUB(EQUAL SIGN)46
E. VOT APPLICATION FORM - HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMC/DOCS /PROGRAMS/ISS/CFAO(UNDERSCORE)11(UNDERSCORE)12(UNDERSCORE)APPLICATION(UNDERSCORE)FORM(UNDERSCORE)E.DOC



THE NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBER (NCM) VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER (VOT) PROGRAM GOVERNS THE VOLUNTARY TRANSFER OF REG F NCMS FROM ONE MILITARY OCCUPATION TO ANOTHER. THE VOT PROGRAM INCLUDES THE ANNUAL VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (AVOTP), CONTINUING OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (COTP) AND LAND OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (LOTP) IAW REF A


THE 2014/2015 VOT PROGRAM FOR OPERATIONALLY FUNCTIONAL POINT (OFP) QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS OPEN TO ALL NCM OCCUPATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF A AND THE 2014/2015 CF INTERNAL STRATEGIC INTAKE PLAN (SIP) FOR REG F PERSONNEL


DULY COMPLETED VOT APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE RECEIVED AT NDHQ DMCPG 5-3 (FORMERLY D MIL C 7-3) BY THE FOLLOWING DEADLINES IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE 2014/2015 COMPETITION:


APPLICATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CONTINUING BASIS FOR 00021 FLT ENGR AND 00343 NDT TECH


29 NOV 13 - FOR 00101 SAR TECH, 00161 MP, 00342 CL DVR, 00357 CBRN OP AND 00369 SF OP


14 FEB 14 - FOR ALL OTHER OCCUPATIONS


AN APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED COMPLETED IF IT ARRIVES BY THE APPROPRIATE DEADLINE AND INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS:


VOT APPLICATION FORM AT REF E WITH PARTS 1-5 COMPLETED


SELECTION ASSESSMENT REPORT (DND 2790) COMPLETED BY THE PSO


MPRR OF THE MEMBER (NOT THE EMAA VERSION)


SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN LATE APR/EARLY MAY 14. UNSUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN LATE MAY 14


UNITS/APPLICANTS ARE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PSO OFFICE FOR ALL POLICY AND SELECTION INQUIRIES

 

[jlv031]

anyone knows if there is a mosid max outcap list this year ?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Usually is.  On the DIN/DWAN search for "Basic Production Documents", should take you the SIP and OUTCAP matrix doc's. 

 

[C35P]

Not sure where I should post this. I am currently enrolled in the Army serving at one of the Artillery Regiments. Unfortunately being an Artilleryman has affected my health and although I still meet the medical requirements for the trade I was advised to look into an occupational transfer in order to take care of my personal health. I have picked 2 trades I would be interested in and meet the requirements for, my question is what do you guys recommend I should ask the BPSO? I am somewhat familiar with the VOT process and have already spoke with the BPSO, and done my research on the trades, I have an appointment with him coming up and not sure what to ask. Thank you.

 

[George Wallace]

Not sure where I should post this. I am currently enrolled in the Army serving at one of the Artillery Regiments. Unfortunately being an Artilleryman has affected my health and although I still meet the medical requirements for the trade I was advised to look into an occupational transfer in order to take care of my personal health. I have picked 2 trades I would be interested in and meet the requirements for, my question is what do you guys recommend I should ask the BPSO? I am somewhat familiar with the VOT process and have already spoke with the BPSO, and done my research on the trades, I have an appointment with him coming up and not sure what to ask. Thank you.

You may start by inquiring into this message, and if there are any others along the same line:

SUBJ: 2014/2015 NCM VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER (VOT) PROGRAM
REFS: A. CFAO 11-12
B. MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS -
HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMP/DPGR/ENGRAPH/REPORTS/EDUSTD(UNDERS
CORE)E.ASP?SEC(EQUAL SIGN)2(ANDSIGN)CMPNT(EQUAL
SIGN)REGF(ANDSIGN)ORDER(EQUAL SIGN)MOSID(ANDSIGN)SORT(EQUAL SIGN)ASC
C. ADM(HR-MIL) INSTRUCTION 05/05 - PARAS 18 AND 19
D. TERMS OF SERVICE - HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMC/ENGRAPH/TOS
(UNDERSCORE)E.ASP?OPENSUB(EQUAL SIGN)46
E. VOT APPLICATION FORM - HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGMC/DOCS
/PROGRAMS/ISS/CFAO(UNDERSCORE)11(UNDERSCORE)12(UNDERSCORE)APPLICATIO
N(UNDERSCORE)FORM(UNDERSCORE)E.DOC
1. THE NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBER (NCM) VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER
(VOT) PROGRAM GOVERNS THE VOLUNTARY TRANSFER OF REG F NCMS FROM ONE
MILITARY OCCUPATION TO ANOTHER. THE VOT PROGRAM INCLUDES THE ANNUAL
VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (AVOTP), CONTINUING OCCUPATION
TRANSFER PROGRAM (COTP) AND LAND OCCUPATION TRANSFER
PROGRAM (LOTP) IAW REF A
2. THE 2014/2015 VOT PROGRAM FOR OPERATIONALLY FUNCTIONAL POINT
(OFP) QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS OPEN TO ALL NCM OCCUPATIONS IN
ACCORDANCE WITH REF A AND THE 2014/2015 CF INTERNAL STRATEGIC INTAKE
PLAN (SIP) FOR REG F PERSONNEL
3. DULY COMPLETED VOT APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE RECEIVED AT NDHQ DMCPG
5-3 (FORMERLY D MIL C 7-3) BY THE FOLLOWING DEADLINES IN ORDER TO BE
CONSIDERED FOR THE 2014/2015 COMPETITION:
A. APPLICATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CONTINUING BASIS FOR 00021
FLT ENGR AND 00343 NDT TECH
B. 29 NOV 13 - FOR 00101 SAR TECH, 00161 MP, 00342 CL DVR, 00357
CBRN OP AND 00369 SF OP
C. 14 FEB 14 - FOR ALL OTHER OCCUPATIONS
4. AN APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED COMPLETED IF IT ARRIVES BY THE
APPROPRIATE DEADLINE AND INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS:
A. VOT APPLICATION FORM AT REF E WITH PARTS 1-5 COMPLETED
B. SELECTION ASSESSMENT REPORT (DND 2790) COMPLETED BY THE PSO
C. MPRR OF THE MEMBER (NOT THE EMAA VERSION)
5. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN LATE APR/EARLY MAY 14.
UNSUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN LATE MAY 14
6. UNITS/APPLICANTS ARE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PSO OFFICE FOR ALL
POLICY AND SELECTION INQUIRIES

 

[GreenMarine]

I put in my OT Memo in July had to resummit it a month later using the old CANFORGEN (but making referance that it maybe superceded), when I saw this come out I was so happy, add the fact the MOC advisor in my area doesn't have a problem with my OT from SupTech to STWD.

Now it's the grind stone to get the i's dotted and t's Crossed.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

add the fact the MOC advisor in my area doesn't have a problem with my OT from SupTech to STWD.

Just curious;  what relevance does this have? 

By the way, to anyone who is wanting to apply VOT...despite what the CANFORGEN says, OFP doesn't really have anything to do with it.  Read Ref A carefully, the CFAO is the authoritive policy for Reg Frce NCMs.  You'll not see the term OFP in it.  WRT to 'required qual in current MOC', the CFAO says "QL4 qualified".  Also of note - if you are in a trade that has no QL4, then QL3 is the required lvl of qual. 

There is a DAOD that is coming out to replace CFAO 11-12, however it is still a draft.  Despite CFAO 11-12 not being superseded yet with this 5000 series DAOD, some folks/org's are using it.  This is obvious in the wording of the VOTP msg (i.e. - "OFP").  OFP is a key part to the draft DAOD.  It is NOT part of the CFAO.

This argument has been had with D Mil C on 2 cases that I know of.  The mbr won in each case.

The 5002 series DAOD has been in draft form for a few years, unknown why it has not been blessed yet. 

 

[GreenMarine]

Just curious;  what relevance does this have? 

I was just noting it as MOC advisors have some pull in the process (behind the scenes) and if he's OK with it is likely for me to mean least resistance from my CoC.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Rgr.  There should be no 'interference' on the CM shop or CofC for eligible NCMs.  *should*

They have a part, in that they get to make 'recommendations' on your application and your immediate supervisor/CofC fills out an assessment form.

However, those are just a part.  Your Pers File including PERs, etc and the PSO assessment and referral form are, IMO, the real "unbiased broker" documents the (I hope) the Selection Boards are paying attention to.

I had great resistance from my CofC for my OT into my current trade; many Jedi Mind Tricks were attempted.  Biggest reason for CofC resistance?  I was in a Pri 4 position - the career shop told my CofC there would be no replacement for me if my OT was successful.  Then the BS started.

If you experience roadblocks, my  :2c: is to remain calm, refer to the applic ref's, staff professionally worded, concise supporting documents (email, memo's, etc) and keep a very positive relationship with the PSO folks and your CofC.  Leave the emotions (anger, frustration, etc) in the car when you get to work.

Good luck!

 

[OttawaSoldier]

Hey, long-time lurker, new recent poster.

Just thought I'd add my two cents since it sounds like I'm in a similar position. I contacted the PLAR Coordinator at CDA and yes it is possible, but difficult, to have a PLAR completely waive RMS Clk QL3 as the result of OJT or what they deem as equivalent in-trade experience.

 

[George Wallace]

Daniel.....
Daniel.....
Daniel.....

How many times must we place you under Administrative Action? 

Please just stick to your gigs at the Huffington Post and The Prince Arthur Herald; and not troll here.

 

[DAA]

Hey, long-time lurker, new recent poster.

Just thought I'd add my two cents since it sounds like I'm in a similar position. I contacted the PLAR Coordinator at CDA and yes it is possible, but difficult, to have a PLAR completely waive RMS Clk QL3 as the result of OJT or what they deem as equivalent in-trade experience.

Regretably, the Coordinator at CDA is not responsible for assessing PLAR's.  They merely log them, look at the occupation and then re-route them to the responsible MA who does the actual assessment.

 

[jlv031]

As my title says I'm curious about who is applying for the votp this year from and to which trade. 
Also I would like to know when an offer is made, is there a way to be noticed because I feel my CoC could "forget" my carreer goals since I'm on leave until June.