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Wasting my life?

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Ok, I‘ve asked just about everyone this and have heard all sorts of responces, so I think it‘s time to ask the people there themselves. Right now I‘m 15 years old. I was wondering if I would be able to make it if I finished grade 10 when I turn 16 and leave school to join reserves and live on base in Edmonton, Alberta. Then join the army as an Infantry Soldier when I‘m 17, and re-enroll back into school through a distance eduction program to finish my high school so I can rank up to a Infantry Officer. Would this be able to work in reality or am I just living in my own little dream world?
 
You‘re living in your own little dream world.

Wait until you finish high school before you join the Regular force. If you want to be a reservist beforehand, driving to Edmonton is a little far, and you won‘t be able to afford living in the city off of a private‘s pay in the part time reserve.

20th Field Regiment (Artillery) has a battery in Red Deer, you could join that if you want a taste of military life while you‘re still in high school
20th Field Regiment Website

The best piece of advice I can give you, is don‘t quit high-school. Finish it if you can, it‘s not worth it to drop out, especially since you pretty much need a post-secondary education to become an officer, and you can‘t get that without High School.
 
It‘ll be alot easier on you if you finish high school no matter what you do, especially if you decide that the military is not your thing in the long run.
 
I‘m pretty sure that they are phasing out the continuing education option for officer training in the next couple of years.

This means ONLY people with post secondary degrees will be considered for officer training.

As it is right now, it is still EXTREMELY unlikely that they would choose someone for officer training who is a teenager and who chose to not finish highschool.
The continuing education officer training was geared toward older more mature people who have demonstrated leadership ability in previous employment, and just happened to not have gone to university.
Plus it was mandatory that such candidates finished, or made appropriate progress, in their degrees while employed.

My personal opinion is that someone who wishes to drop out of highschool at 16 (grade 10?) COULD NOT complete officer training AND a degree at the same time.
MAYBE someone who has some life experience, who can deal with huge amounts of stress, and has already learned how to be a leader in the civilian world, can manage to display the required focus and dedication. A teenager could not.
It would be far more demanding than you probably imagine. It‘s one thing to say that you would be willing to never have a free moment where you are not training, working, or studying, for the beter part of five years, but actualy living that situation would be brutal and would require complete dedication. It would be akin to being a med student. No dating, no friends, no hobbies, nothing but work and school, all the time, frequently with little and no sleep.
Plus a willingness to do it is not enough, you also need to constantly meet the educational requirements. No ones going to care that you were on course, on deployment or whatever, they‘re going to care why you only got 76% in physics.

Anyway, I‘m sure you get my point. If you want to be an officer, dropping out of highschool is absolutely the worst thing you could do. The best way to become an officer is to commit to doing whatever it takes to getting the highest grades you possibly can for grades 11 and 12, and then apply to RMC for officer training. Use tutors, any extra time a teacher is willing to give, study groups/partners, and aim for 100% in all your classes.

Besides that, you‘ll want to get into team based sports, volunteer your free time, achieve educational awards if possible, and demonstrate leadership in one way or another (ie on a sports team, the debating club, summer councellor for youth programs, etc.)

Some people have all of these qualifications and still wash out of officer training, so keep that in mind.
 
What the the general requirements in classes to even be considered for officer training? I can‘t really say I‘m the best at school, but I‘m still able to get 60-70 in all my classes.
 
I hate to sound negative, however, I don‘t thnk those marks would get you into ANY university. My advice: finish high school, join the reserves for your remainder of high school, boost your average in your final years of high school and go to university on your own coin. Afterwards you can get a transfer to a become a reg force infantry officer. Good luck and all the best!
 
Originally posted by Nagy:
[qb] What the the general requirements in classes to even be considered for officer training? I can‘t really say I‘m the best at school, but I‘m still able to get 60-70 in all my classes. [/qb]
Selection is competetive, I would suggest working harder and getting some help in all your subjects. I would also suggest that you aim to have all your grades above 80% to compete with the other candidates.

As I remember it, completing class and homework assignments alone could earn you up to 80%, that‘s even if you got zero on every test.
Since homework assignments are all "open book", and class assignments can most often be discussed with friends and/or the teacher, then there really is no reason why a person should not be able to earn a "B" in that area. As for the tests, you should be able to at least pass them if you‘ve completed your assignments (some of the knowledge will rub off). So theoretically, you should easily be able to pull down 90% in any class.

Obviously though the key is determination. It takes a special student to give that kind of commitment to their education. Most kids don‘t do a lot of their assignments, or they do them poorly, choosing to just hand something in, rather than taking the extra 20 minutes to double check their answers against their notes or text books.
Many of the 90%+ average students at my school, weren‘t exceptionaly smart, really they were just nerdy and had good parents who pushed them to always get 100% on assignments and projects.

Anyway, that‘s why the military is looking for honour students and university graduates to train as officers. They‘ve already proved themselves to be meticulous, focused and hard working.

If it‘s the material you‘re struggling with, then its as easy as hiring a tutor. If you can‘t afford one, most schools will provide peer tutoring. Also talk to your teachers, thats what they‘re there for.
 
Your marks now have no effect on anything. If you pass all your grade 9-11 courses then get 70 or higher in your grade twelve classes you can get into ANY university, but only in certain programs (By any university of course i mean the majority.) The most important thing you can do now is to stay in high school and try to get atleast 70 grades. Some universities will take a 60 but its unlikely, and for an officer you will need much higher.
 
Originally posted by RJG:
[qb] Your marks now have no effect on anything. If you pass all your grade 9-11 courses then get 70 or higher in your grade twelve classes you can get into ANY university, but only in certain programs (By any university of course i mean the majority.)
Some universities will take a 60 but its unlikely, [/qb]
Umm.....which university is this? I‘m applying for university right now and for most programs the cut-off is at least high 70s (most low to mid 80s) and some programs even require high 80s to mid 90s. I wouldn‘t quite say that getting a 70 will get you into any university.
 
MUN (Memorial University of Nfld) will accept anyone with 70%+, as well as residency to all first years.

ManitobaU, 63% cut off

Laurention, 68%

UPEI, 65%

UNBC, 65%

And none of those are bad universities either.
 
Well from what I have been told is you have to be in university (ie they want your transcript) to even apply to be an officer. There is no way any university will take you if you don‘t finish high school.

BTW Im 19 (in 1st year at UofT) right now and trying to become an officer in the reserve. I think that there are lower standards for reserves, but even they I was told that they would like to see more experience from officer candidates.
 
So what if I was to just stay as an Infantry Private? I know minimun requirements is a grade 10 but those people are probably at the bottom on the line for getting in. What would you say my chances are if I was to finish high school with say a 64 average? I also plan in leaving for the Army a month after I turn 17 (november 2005). How long does it usually take to get enrolled? Because I might consider finding a job in Edmonton to support my rent and join the reserves until I‘m accepted into the reg.

:mg:
 
Nagy, if your goal is to go reg force, probably the best thing to do is apply for the reg force half way through your grade 12 year, get all your tests done, an out of the way, an when you graduate you can, get sworn in, etc, an go to St Jean, etc, an go regs right out of high school(if it all works out)

dont drop out of high school, especially just to be a reservist, also you dont wanna make a career out of being a private..
 
Just finish highschool first. Passing, even with a low average, is better than dropping out.
 
Well this many sound kind of weird, but I‘d actually be fine with a career as a private. I just want to get out there, serve my country and get a little dirt on my face. Money and living conditions has never mattered to me. And ya, I‘ve decided that I‘ll stay in school, thanks for your guys help :)
 
Smart move Nagy! :)

Success is the collision between preperation and opportunity.

I forget who said that, but it is right.
 
Nagy, it‘s easy to say that now when all you want is to get out of a stifling classroom, but you‘re not going to be in your teens and full of rebellious energy forever. Money and living conditions may matter in five or ten years, and then it‘ll be lot harder to get things back on track.

Finishing school will be the smartest thing you‘ll have done while in your teens, you just won‘t really be able to understand that until you‘re 30 and look back on what opportunities you would have missed if you‘d only had Grade 10.
 
7 months of the year I live in a ‘71 Banner motorhome and do distance education to complete high school. I do BMX videos with Blinded Trust Films =\
To tell you the truth, livin in a motorhome isn‘t half bad, and CHEAP.
 
To start: Nagy, I think that the advice you‘ve been given here is good, and I think you‘ve made a pretty good call with sticking with school.

And Now:

I suppose that this post may be going off on a bit of a tangent from Nagy‘s original question, but here is my advice to young people who wish to join the reserves under the Direct Entry Officer or similar plans: don‘t.

In the course of several unit recruiting activities I have been involved with, I have met a fair number of individuals, usually high school or university students, who have turned up their noses at the thought of joining the CF as a NCM. To be honest with you, I myself had a similar attitude when I was in the process of joining. I consider myself to be a fairly intelligent person, I am university educated, and I figured, at the time, that if I was going to join the military, joining as an officer was the way to go. Needless to say, I did not do so: at the time that I joined, I had just completed my first year of university, and I did not meet the two years post secondary requirement for the RESO program. I was convinced by the unit recruiter that it wouldn‘t be a bad thing to join as a Pte, do my basic training, and apply to become an officer at some point down the line. To this day, I still haven‘t made that application, and I‘m glad I haven‘t.

I don‘t mean to offend anyone by saying this, but if you are young, with minimal real world job experience, and no military skills, you have ZERO to offer the CF as an officer. This holds true regardless of any natural intelligence, leadership potential, or strong character traits you posess. It holds true regardless of any civilian education that you posess. Getting a B.A. in English, or even a Masters in Electronics Engineering, does not qualify you to do the job of an officer. Certainly not well, at any rate. Experience is the key: either military experience(ideally) or experience in a civilian management/administrative role.

Within the regular force, many officer candidates are educated/trained at RMC. They are subject to an intensive four year training regimen, during which they are given extensive opportunity to absorb the CF‘s institutional culture, in addition to the regular university education they receive. During summer months, they are subject to tough military training. After four years of that, and having been issued their degree, they still have to complete more courses before being commissioned, and then they‘re only 2Lts.

My point in mentioning this is that despite this intensive training process, which many do not complete successfully, these new 2Lts are by no means to be considered great leaders. They lack experience, and, whether deservedly or undeservedly, get very little respect from most other soldiers (if you think otherwise, try asking a senior NCO what he thinks of these kids). And this is in the regular force! The reserves cannot offer the same lengthy training package that the regs can, and the young officers that we produce tend, for that reason, to be (generally speaking, I hope no one takes offence) just that much more... ineffective, shall we say.

I think that a lot of people get wrapped around the axle with regards to status. They have big ideas about how grandiose it will be if they‘re an officer. Well, it won‘t, and it particularly won‘t be for those who can‘t do their job well. To sum up, my advice-- not just to you Nagy, but to all other students out there who are thinking about becoming an officer in the reserves is this: join the ranks first. You can still apply to become an officer any time you want, and I guarantee that you will be a better officer for the critical additional experience that it will give you.
 
They lack experience, and, whether deservedly or undeservedly, get very little respect from most other soldiers (if you think otherwise, try asking a senior NCO what he thinks of these kids).
There can be no action more damaging to a unit‘s integrity than Senior NCOs that set an example of showing disrespect for young officers. Once that attitude is entrenched, how exactly do those NCO‘s reinstill respect for an officer that does show him or herself capable of doing the job?

Is it not a basic responsibility of Sr NCOs to assist young officers and to ensure they are treated in accordance with their rank while they are learning their trade? How are they doing this if they spend their time sharing attitudes such as you describe? This situation you describe is not the young officer‘s failing, it is that of the unit and the NCOs who perpetrate such attitudes.
 
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