Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis

[rmc_wannabe]

Ah..Cannon Fodder, lovely.

Not in the slightest. We have demonstrated interoperability in Afghan and Latvia with our allies. We are competent soldiers/sailors/aircrew.

Our main problem is a lack of equipment. I have no problem seeing a section of Can Infantry GIBing in a Bradley or a Canadian Crew in augmenting on a UK destroyer.

 

[GK .Dundas]

I don't know about that exactly. We can't or wont provide a fully equipped figthing unit so whats wrong with filling out are Allies. Its bound to happen in a real shooting war anyways. Are the Americans cannon fodder as well?

We've spent most of our military history trying to avoid this situation.at brigade level and lower we can ordered to our deaths at above they have to ask and the higher the level the more polite they have to be.

 

[Haggis]

Just replacing our existing capabilities like the CF-18/CP-140/CC-150 that are pretty simple only one real choice sole source would be a huge win with this government

Yeah, because that worked so well with the recent pistol purchase.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Not in the slightest. We have demonstrated interoperability in Afghan and Latvia with our allies. We are competent soldiers/sailors/aircrew.

Our main problem is a lack of equipment. I have no problem seeing a section of Can Infantry GIBing in a Bradley or a Canadian Crew in augmenting on a UK destroyer.

Of course that means completely subjugating our right to imdependent foreign policy, ROE, national interests, objectives, legal justification for the use of force etc, to say nothing of national accountability

 

[daftandbarmy]

I don't know about that exactly. We can't or wont provide a fully equipped figthing unit so whats wrong with filling out are Allies. Its bound to happen in a real shooting war anyways. Are the Americans cannon fodder as well?

The British were always willing to fight to the last Canadian. This realization helped drive the formation of an autonomous Canadian Army in previous conflicts

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Of course that means completely subjugating our right to imdependent foreign policy, ROE, national interests, objectives, legal justification for the use of force etc, to say nothing of national accountability

Hmmm almost seems like a great motivating factor for us to make sure we can field something tangible when the time comes...

 

[daftandbarmy]

Hmmm almost seems like a great motivating factor for us to make sure we can field something tangible when the time comes...

Or just keep doing what we’re doing and wind up with another Brigade thrown away in some future version of Hong Kong 1941/2.

 

[MilEME09]

Or just keep doing what we’re doing and wind up with another Brigade thrown away in some future version of Hong Kong 1941/2.

It's going to take a lot of UOR procurement to get use ready, even then it would be awhile before we were actually prepared for a near peer engagement

 

[Haggis]

It's going to take a lot of UOR procurement to get use ready, even then it would be awhile before we were actually prepared for a near peer engagement

We could be ready tomorrow... depending on who we consider a peer.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

We could be ready tomorrow... depending on who we consider a peer.

We could be ready tomorrow if we started treating defense procurement as essential and not as a political/economical stimulus package.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Not in the slightest. We have demonstrated interoperability in Afghan and Latvia with our allies. We are competent soldiers/sailors/aircrew.

Our main problem is a lack of equipment. I have no problem seeing a section of Can Infantry GIBing in a Bradley or a Canadian Crew in augmenting on a UK destroyer.

I don't think you'd see Cdn soldiers in a Bradley commanded by US Army NCOs/Officers.

I could, as a minimum, see Coy or equivalent sub-units attached to Allied forces. Why Coy level? That would put them under the "command" of a Major. Something about "Senior Officer" sounds right to the public and elected officials.

I don't see lower than that for conventional ground forces.

Comparatively, that is basically what happens when "my kind" go off to do things; we form an Air Task Force (even if it's only a 1-airframe Det) under a Maj (minimum) as the ATC Comd. We are under Cdn command & ROE, always, regardless of where we plug into the overall formation.

I think the same rank delineation line exists in the RCN; IIRC, MCDV skippers are LCdrs.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I don't think you'd see Cdn soldiers in a Bradley commanded by US Army NCOs/Officers.

I could, as a minimum, see Coy or equivalent sub-units attached to Allied forces. Why Coy level? That would put them under the "command" of a Major. Something about "Senior Officer" sounds right to the public and elected officials.

I don't see lower than that for conventional ground forces.

Comparatively, that is basically what happens when "my kind" go off to do things; we form an Air Task Force (even if it's only a 1-airframe Det) under a Maj (minimum) as the ATC Comd. We are under Cdn command & ROE, always, regardless of where we plug into the overall formation.

I think the same rank delineation line exists in the RCN; IIRC, MCDV skippers are LCdrs.

In the Infantry I'm sure there's something about a SITREP like "The Canadian Company was wiped out, Sir" that might make the US, or other armies, a little leery about having sub-units from other countries attached in that way, during higher intensity ops anyways...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

In the Infantry I'm sure there's something about a SITREP like "The Canadian Company was wiped out is still doing some mandatory DLN courses, Sir" that might make the US, or other armies, a little leery about having sub-units from other countries attached in that way, during higher intensity ops anyways...

Yes?

 

[McG]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2011381827562/

 

[OceanBonfire]

I have no doubt that allied training missions like ours helped strengthen the Ukrainian Armed Forces. As Canadian soldiers, we often joked that any time a single module in a course changed in Canada, everyone goes all up in arms. Yes, we were there as trainers. But in reality, we had more to learn from the Ukrainians because Ukraine has been rapidly professionalizing their military while simultaneously fighting a war for the past eight years.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/first-person-andriy-tovstiuk-1.6377709

 

[McG]

Yavoriv has been hit. That is where most of Op UNIFIER had been located.

Russian forces strike Ukraine military base near Polish border, local officials say

Ukraine's capital Kyiv meanwhile prepared for possible encirclement by Russian forces who invaded the country on 24 February.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yavoriv has been hit. That is where most of Op UNIFIER had been located.

Russian forces strike Ukraine military base near Polish border, local officials say

Ukraine's capital Kyiv meanwhile prepared for possible encirclement by Russian forces who invaded the country on 24 February.

www.sbs.com.au

It's almost like they're trying to tell NATO something.

I hope that we aren't listening

 

[MilEME09]

It's almost like they're trying to tell NATO something.

I hope that we aren't listening

Would be more entertaining if a patriot battery engaged some missiles and NATO saying their trajectory was heading into Poland so we took defensive measures

 

[daftandbarmy]

Would be more entertaining if a patriot battery engaged some missiles and NATO saying their trajectory was heading into Poland so we took defensive measures

If you recall, as I understand the way it played out, before a formal declaration of war the US entered the war in Europe in WW2 by providing 'convoy escorts for humanitarian aid' across the Atlantic.

I'm wondering if NATO has something similar in mind.

 

[brihard]

I’ve read that that base was being used as a transit and training point for foreign volunteers. Anyone know if that’s accurate? It certainly rings plausible.