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100% agree - need to move fast while all the chickens are nodding their heads yes before it changes
CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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Brad Sallows
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A common theme of conservatives regardless of sub-faction used to be trade liberalization.
Liquor sales isn't really a core or even a fringe government responsibility. Obviously tariffs and contract abrogation aren't examples of liberalization.
I reiterate that the best principle to follow when presented by protectionism is to respond by retaining and increasing liberal policies. I notice that despite talking about it a lot, there still hasn't been a lot of movement on internal liberalization. Our "Team Canada" leaders are trying very hard not to have to shed their own protectionist policies. On mega-projects, governments should be clearing regulatory burdens, not choosing winners and losers.
I'm expecting a backdown by Trump at some point not too far in the future ("declare victory and go home") when a face-saving excuse presents. It should be obvious that the mess created in the auto industry alone is going to produce intense pressures for an exception, and once there is one exception everyone else will be clamouring for one. I suppose with the 10% (lower) tariff on energy imports there is already one exception.
Liquor sales isn't really a core or even a fringe government responsibility. Obviously tariffs and contract abrogation aren't examples of liberalization.
I reiterate that the best principle to follow when presented by protectionism is to respond by retaining and increasing liberal policies. I notice that despite talking about it a lot, there still hasn't been a lot of movement on internal liberalization. Our "Team Canada" leaders are trying very hard not to have to shed their own protectionist policies. On mega-projects, governments should be clearing regulatory burdens, not choosing winners and losers.
I'm expecting a backdown by Trump at some point not too far in the future ("declare victory and go home") when a face-saving excuse presents. It should be obvious that the mess created in the auto industry alone is going to produce intense pressures for an exception, and once there is one exception everyone else will be clamouring for one. I suppose with the 10% (lower) tariff on energy imports there is already one exception.
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Likely, and will no doubt be characterized as Canada and Mexico bending a knee, but interesting to see how the recent discussions with *Lutnick and Ford went, including elements of the discussion that related specifically to Ontario‘s 25% export tariff on electricity, which made a clear point about energy. NE US has no immediate options to counter that move, they’re beholden to ON (and Qc) electricity for now.
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Chef’s kiss move by Wab would have been using a fat Sharpie!
Love the passive-aggressive mirroring of the Don’s EO signing style. 
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This situation could have been Trudeau's "Finest Hour" if he hadn't spent ten years destroying Canada.
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Regardless of how this plays out for us, the lesson for the rest of the world is clear: don't enter into a trade agreement with the US. I anticipate that global trade is going to change significantly as companies and countries ensure that their not vulnerable to these same tactics.
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Ahem, expert here…it’s a $1.50. I plan my whole waistline around Costco hotdog economics.
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That Trump essentially invalidated his own word from earlier is for sure a lesson available to others to learn. Don’t trust America…even in deals that favor themselves.
Swampbuggy
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Well, the trend in social media is moving towards “leftist” or “righty”. Essentially if anything has even the remotest whiff of socialism, lefty and if you disagree with that whiff, righty. It’s shorter, but probably no more accurate.
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On the other hand conservative can mean what it has always meant: maintaining the status quo.
Two parties. One promotes change. One opposes change.
There are those that still aspire to the old Catholic order and wish to conserve that structure.
There are those that wish to conserve the changes made under the Protestant order.
There are Liberal conservatives.
Socialist conservatives
And, I predict, in the US, in the aftermath of the MAGA movement, there will be Progressive conservatives that will fight to retain the advances they made before Trump.
Beyond that "conservatives" have nothing in common.
But there again, neither do the "parties of change". They can't agree on what changes they all want. Starting with what should replace the monarchy.
The guy needs to run federally at some point.
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Any country under pressure is liable to break agreements, interfere, or ignore selected rules. The pressure doesn't have to be trade-related.
I cannot emphasize enough that the US is probably not more untrustworthy than it historically has been; all of this stems from Trump. It's prudent to assume that relations will normalize after Trump is gone (probably a lot sooner once Americans start feeling the self-imposed damage) and act accordingly with long-term interests in view. Follow the trend line, not the outlier.
Again, Trump will be gone at some point. Trumpism will still remain.
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Any smoothbrain that unironically uses the terms lefty or righty should have their voting rights rescinded. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Brad Sallows
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What is Trumpism? Immigration enforcement? Common public order? A conservative skepticism of interventionism as compared to the adventurism and irrational expectations of neocons that all you have to do is overthrow dictators and democracy will flourish? Fiscal prudence? Constitutional adherence, particularly to freedoms of expression? A profound intolerance of waste, fraud, and abuse? Putting the interests of Americans first instead of treating US DIME like some sort of bank from which other countries get to make withdrawals?
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Since we're on the topic of Manitoba. Super cool giant flag on the Leg. Who would have thought the Manitoba NDP would be jumping in on the patriotism deepend. I'm glad to have Wab at the helm, despite not normally supporting the NDP.
(Link to YouTube)
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I do question how much of the tariff stuff will be part of the residual Trumpism.
I very much get the vibe that a massive ego with declining mental faculties was sold a bill of goods by a fringe academic (Stephen Miran) and bought in hard. While the seals are clapping along right now, I don't think there's a whole lot of born again Tariff men outside of Trump himself.
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Vance is seeming to be an excellent inheritor to the irrationality. We shall see.
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Mussolini rode to power supplying shoes to barefoot school girls and making the trains run on time.
The French and Russian Revolutions were about bread, as were the disruptions of 1832 and 1848 (It wasn't only the Irish that were starving. The whole of Europe was short of grain and potatoes due to the weather.)
Change happens when governments lose the consent of the governed. One of the biggest problems any authoritarian government that relies on force to support its policies is the loyalty of its enforcers. To whom does the enforcer's greatest loyalty belong: his emperor or his starving mother?
Unhappy people will always, eventually, find their own tribune and turf the old order.
Better to recognize the popular will and accommodate it than stand on principle and oppose it.
