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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Did someone just blink?


I can only imagine how much the phone lines were blowing up at the Whitehouse today with extremely angry industry leaders on the other end.
 
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to an unfortunate choice of wording, but this is a heck of a thread to say “we are our own worst enemy”.

Now that the tariffs have actually been imposed: as a Canadian, and as Trump’s most outspoken and steadfast supporter on this site, do you support his policy choice to impose tariffs on Canada? And has your personal support of him changed at all?

I gave you an answer, but it was removed for some reason. I can't be bothered to repeat it.
 
I gave you an answer, but it was removed for some reason. I can't be bothered to repeat it.
I saw it.

There was no “bullying”, “bullshit”, “innuendo”, or “chest poking” as you put it. Just two straightforward questions. They were pointed, but were asked in good faith, because I believe that you’ve probably found the present circumstances challenging. I respect your answer that you’ve been rethinking, and your silence on it while doing so. It’s been noticeable and I wondered if it was that.

While I asked bluntly, there’s no aggression in it and I’m not picking a fight. More just trying to get a finger on the pulse of what Canadians who have historically supported Trump are thinking and feeling right now.
 
Sure. All you need to do is get Quebec on board.

While we're fiddle fucking around with them, make it a national priority to get Churchill on line and ship the oil to New Brunswick. Make it happen this year. There should be thousands of able bodied unemployed workers to swarm a project like this.
I've been reading quite a bit of Quebec news lately (oddly enough). Quebec is having a "Oh yah, this is why we created this country" moment right now. History doesn't repeat but its rhyming for Lower Canada at present.

Get the champagne ready? Trump may walk back Wednesday

Haha no, I don't believe that for a hot minute. This is the same guy who said we're probably going to get less tariffs two days ago and then they went full 25%.. If the go to 20% or 15% I'll be shocked honestly. We'll have to see what Mexico's announced response will be.

Reading the G&M article on the same, Lutnick stated to Ford that some of the statements coming out of Canada are personal attacks on the president, particularly from the PM. And we know what DJ has a very thin skin. Going after him personally is only going to make this harder in the end. Despite Canadians loving the criticism.

You can say all the blunt instrument things you need to without making it personal. Canada will not buckle to tariffs, we will fight back, this policy will hurt Americans, Americans are our friends and we don't get it. We're working hard to fix the fentynal problem and are working with US border services to see what they need to make this work. etc.... But don't tell the President hes dumb, or that hes the problem.

Doug Ford needs to reign himself in, he's not a diplomat he's a liability. And Trudeu should have learned from the last trade negotiations that DJ's temper turned our trade negotiations into problems after he criticized Trump at some other event (He stabbed me in the back or somesuch was Trumps statement) after the hug offensive was working, undoing all that work because he can't keep his mouth shut.

This election can't come soon enough, we need to change the players federally even if the Libs are in power again, at least they will have a different face. Problem is the election campaign will be all about attacking Trump and that can't be good for negotiations.
 
I've been reading quite a bit of Quebec news lately (oddly enough). Quebec is having a "Oh yah, this is why we created this country" moment right now. History doesn't repeat but its rhyming for Lower Canada at present.


Haha no, I don't believe that for a hot minute. This is the same guy who said we're probably going to get less tariffs two days ago and then they went full 25%.. If the go to 20% or 15% I'll be shocked honestly. We'll have to see what Mexico's announced response will be.

Reading the G&M article on the same, Lutnick stated to Ford that some of the statements coming out of Canada are personal attacks on the president, particularly from the PM. And we know what DJ has a very thin skin. Going after him personally is only going to make this harder in the end. Despite Canadians loving the criticism.

You can say all the blunt instrument things you need to without making it personal. Canada will not buckle to tariffs, we will fight back, this policy will hurt Americans, Americans are our friends and we don't get it. We're working hard to fix the fentynal problem and are working with US border services to see what they need to make this work. etc.... But don't tell the President hes dumb, or that hes the problem.

Doug Ford needs to reign himself in, he's not a diplomat he's a liability. And Trudeu should have learned from the last trade negotiations that DJ's temper turned our trade negotiations into problems after he criticized Trump at some other event (He stabbed me in the back or somesuch was Trumps statement) after the hug offensive was working, undoing all that work because he can't keep his mouth shut.

This election can't come soon enough, we need to change the players federally even if the Libs are in power again, at least they will have a different face. Problem is the election campaign will be all about attacking Trump and that can't be good for negotiations.
If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.
 
If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.
Ok I'll buy that explaination to a point. Not being in the room I'm not sure Lutnick tried to bully Ford. But given both their communication styles it was probably a pretty blunt conversation.

Lutnick is a smart guy. He knows tariffs are bad. His mentor is Lighthzinger who was Trumps previous Trade Secretary, the same guy who stole a memo right off of Trumps desk that might have had the President torpedeo the free trade deal with Korea. Same guy used to work in trade all the way back with Regan.

Part of me wonders if Lutnick is trying to limit the damage his boss is causing, basically saying help me out here, cool your jets, we can walk this back a bit because its going to spiral really quickly. And he needs Trump to not be all pissy about Ford when that happens.

And if he's calling Ford saying stop, does that mean we have leverage here? Is this a crack in the armour to exploit?
 
If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.
Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.
 
Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.
He needs to act like a Conservative then. Where's my tax cuts Dougie?

Also he needs to dodge the RCMP investigations into his greenbelt/highghway development buyoff situation. That's one of the reasons for the early election call. There is a scandal brewing.
 
Ok I'll buy that explaination to a point. Not being in the room I'm not sure Lutnick tried to bully Ford. But given both their communication styles it was probably a pretty blunt conversation.

Lutnick is a smart guy. He knows tariffs are bad. His mentor is Lighthzinger who was Trumps previous Trade Secretary, the same guy who stole a memo right off of Trumps desk that might have had the President torpedeo the free trade deal with Korea. Same guy used to work in trade all the way back with Regan.

Part of me wonders if Lutnick is trying to limit the damage his boss is causing, basically saying help me out here, cool your jets, we can walk this back a bit because its going to spiral really quickly. And he needs Trump to not be all pissy about Ford when that happens.

And if he's calling Ford saying stop, does that mean we have leverage here? Is this a crack in the armour to exploit?
Lutnick’s a conventional Wall Street investment banker, and a very succesful one. In an administration increasingly overrun with… Well, the people it’s overrun with - he’s one of the adults. He just wants money and goods to move in stable and predictable trading relationships, within a trustworthy legal framework. I definitely think he’s a voice of influence working to temper things here cool things down. He’s likely one of the ones pushing to find an off ramp.
 
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