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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Trying to figure out why so many people (Canadian politicians and reporters) keep talking about Trump's tariffs causing price increases for Canadians. Trump's import tariffs will increase prices for Americans. The way prices increase for Canadians is if we're stupid enough to put import tariffs on stuff coming from the US.

Enjoying all the "challenge accepted" from Canadian politicians in response to Trump's pig-wrestling offer.
 
Well, he's lost his opportunity to form the official opposition.
Well, Singh is back up on his soapbox. He's using all his "We can't bring down the government until I get a deal for workers" shtick. i'm pretty sure we're back to square one when the House decides to get back to work. The motion of No Confidence will be scuttled by the orange liberals again, voting to keep the incompetent and dishonest Carney government in place. We are our own worst enemy. Singh has never been able to read a room.

Someone just shoot me now.

 
Trying to figure out why so many people (Canadian politicians and reporters) keep talking about Trump's tariffs causing price increases for Canadians. Trump's import tariffs will increase prices for Americans. The way prices increase for Canadians is if we're stupid enough to put import tariffs on stuff coming from the US.

Enjoying all the "challenge accepted" from Canadian politicians in response to Trump's pig-wrestling offer.
Because lots of good we use, particularly finished goods are made in the US. Roofing nails for instance. If steel prices go up because of less steel supply from Canada then roofing nails go up. Lumber is another example where if you lose the cost advantage of mass production of lumber from BC than lumber prices.will definately go up. Canadian oil in the US is turned into gas for Ontario. Potash fertilizers increase cause food price increases because markets are international. And so on.

We're so integrated that any disruptions are going to increase prices.
 
You no longer pay to register you car...
That's liberal philosophy not conservative. Conservatives are about user fees. You pay for what you use. Liberals are about taking taxes to remove fees

Actually it's really populist bullshit. Like beer in corner stores. Ontario needs real structural changes not this fiddling around the edges crap.
 
That's liberal philosophy not conservative. Conservatives are about user fees. You pay for what you use. Liberals are about taking taxes to remove fees

Actually it's really populist bullshit. Like beer in corner stores. Ontario needs real structural changes not this fiddling around the edges crap.
They fiddle around the edges because the other stuff quite frankly, to be changed, might just result in the need to burn it all to the ground.

Provincial Debt (14$B) Health Care (85$B) and Education (29$B) eat up collectively 130$B of the 215$B year budget of Ontario. Where do you enable change to happen? The debt is a fixed cost at best, health care is on life support and difficult to even talk about changing and our education system is in structural change because of an ongoing tuition freeze and cut back on Int'l students.
 
Where that pipe should come from is tariff money. Every single penny should be invested into massive infrastructure projects to keep our industries alive. Especially critical ones like steel and aluminium milling.
Last I looked, the Bank of Canada doesn't make pipe. I don't know the industry but I'm not sure we have a domestic large diameter pipe manufacturing capability. Even if we do, projects of this scale, such as building long distance pipelines and ports, have a long lead time for surveying, engineering, land acquisition, construction and on and on. Even if every government regulation was dropped tomorrow and we were able to bulldoze through everyone's backyard with impunity, they still couldn't be built fast enough to solve our current problems.

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad idea from a national interest perspective, quite the opposite.

How's the CSC construction coming along? Can we have one in the water next year?
 
Last I looked, the Bank of Canada doesn't make pipe. I don't know the industry but I'm not sure we have a domestic large diameter pipe manufacturing capability. Even if we do, projects of this scale, such as building long distance pipelines and ports, have a long lead time for surveying, engineering, land acquisition, construction and on and on. Even if every government regulation was dropped tomorrow and we were able to bulldoze through everyone's backyard with impunity, they still couldn't be built fast enough to solve our current problems.

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad idea from a national interest perspective, quite the opposite.

How's the CSC construction coming along? Can we have one in the water next year?

In principle I agree. There is no short term cure.

But .

The problem is an enduring one and the sooner we get started on a new path the better.

We are going to develop a whole new economy. One that looks a lot like that pre 1980.
 
Last I looked, the Bank of Canada doesn't make pipe. I don't know the industry but I'm not sure we have a domestic large diameter pipe manufacturing capability. Even if we do, projects of this scale, such as building long distance pipelines and ports, have a long lead time for surveying, engineering, land acquisition, construction and on and on. Even if every government regulation was dropped tomorrow and we were able to bulldoze through everyone's backyard with impunity, they still couldn't be built fast enough to solve our current problems.

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad idea from a national interest perspective, quite the opposite.

How's the CSC construction coming along? Can we have one in the water next year?
The best time to plant a tree was ten years ago. The second best time is right now. We have an opportunity to begin a series of national mega-projects, never again will Canada be so united and craving economic nationalism. Strike while the iron is hot so to speak.
 
Meanwhile, BC responds with a record deficit projection on the day the tariffs are announced...

B.C. budget brings record deficit, billions in trade-war contingencies

Finance Minister Brenda Bailey says “the impact will be severe” but it’s not the time to retreat by cutting spending on public services.

Despite the peril posed by the trade war, Bailey said core services would not be cut, even if there were no "splashy" expenditures this year.

The budget includes $4.2 billion over three years to increase capacity in the health system, and a further $15.5 billion for capital investments in hospitals and other facilities over the same period.

“We will manage our finances carefully so we can continue our work to improve health care, education and other core services, without adding fees or hiking costs,” she said.

The budget predicts a record deficit of about $10.9 billion in the next fiscal year starting April 1, up from a revised forecast of $9.1 billion this year.

B.C. budget brings record deficit, billions in trade-war contingencies - Victoria Times Colonist
 
So saving people money is "populist bullshit" unless it's a tax cut, because that's a "true conservative" move? Also, how is removing puritanical rules regarding alcohol sales "populist bullshit"?
I don't think people actually know what "conservative" means. Are we talking a modern Tory? A MAGA acolyte? Burkean conservative? All three have almost nothing in common but are labelled the same way. Conservative is rapidly becoming an unuseful label.
 
So saving people money is "populist bullshit" unless it's a tax cut, because that's a "true conservative" move? Also, how is removing puritanical rules regarding alcohol sales "populist bullshit"?
Breaking an artificial monopoly and creating a free-er market was/is was a principled conservative move. Spending billions in tax payer money to break contracts and do it early....
 
So saving people money is "populist bullshit" unless it's a tax cut, because that's a "true conservative" move? Also, how is removing puritanical rules regarding alcohol sales "populist bullshit"?

Well if you think about when I registered my car I paid for it. Anyone else did not. Now the taxpayer is paying to have my car registered. Hardly conservative in that sense.
 
So saving people money is "populist bullshit" unless it's a tax cut, because that's a "true conservative" move? Also, how is removing puritanical rules regarding alcohol sales "populist bullshit"?
Because it's a play for votes that doesn't change anything. If he was really conservative he'd get rid the LCBO entirely and full free market alcohol sales. It's still puritanical/tyrannical because they are the only wholesaler in Ontario.

How about I dunno, at least pretend like your trying to balance the budget? That would be nice. Or stop trying to be mayor of Toronto. Or stop doing random property development BS and focus on a clean and efficient tax and regulation environment. But I'm realizing that's outside his area of expertise so he'll never do it.
 
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