Maxman1
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$60 billion deficit, and nothing going to fix 24 Sussex.
2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25
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$60 billion deficit is a best guess. We'll know nothing for sure until we pry the books out of the liberal hands. Then we need a DOGE like organization to tear those books apart and figure out where money like McKennas project money went.
"McKenna is the Liberal Infrastructure Minister. Under her watch, $187.8 billion was pledged towards infrastructure over the course of 12 years. Auditors, however, can not find where a significant amount of this money went"
"Parliament's budget office can find no evidence of 20,000 projects subsidized with billions in federal tax dollars. Infrastructure Minister Catherine McKenna would not document where funds were spent, the Commons Government Operations committee was told.
Budget Officer Yves Giroux said he could find no records on more than a third of the projects “started or completed”, a total 20,000. “We’ve asked the department and have been able to find information for 33,000 of these projects,” said Giroux. “We have not been able to see a list that includes all these 52,000 or 53,000 projects, only 33,000 of these projects.”
Budget officer Giroux said he could find no records on more than a third of projects started or completed — a total of 20,000."
That is just one department. Then there's the Green Slush Fund, the Arrivescam and COVID funding scandals, to name just a few more. The liberals have lost billions upon billions of taxpayer cash with no explanation or being held to account.
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Yes cause DOGE is working so great, except it's not, their savings are likely fabricated and over all US spending is up not down. I'm all for efficency and spending tax payers dollars wisely, but I'd soon bring in an external accountant to audit everything instead of an unaccountable organization like DOGE.
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I really do wonder where we get some of these geniuses from. Tis to weep.
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Yes, you're both right. I should have used a better word than DOGE.
What I was attempting to describe is a dedicated group of computer and financially savvy auditors. A group that can get in there and find, at least, some of the multiple billions of dollars the liebrals defrauded the Canadian taxpayer of. I don't expect them to act like DOGE, cutting off funds and laying people off. What I want is for them not to just identify the losses, but who was involved and where the money went and if we can recover any. Find enough evidence so that there is ample proof for charges, investigations and prison, if warranted.
I think we're all on the same page, it was my fault for using a faulty descriptor. The feedback is appreciated.
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The "Green Slush Fund" has been sufficiently debunked as any kind of liberal "scandal" on this site. "Arrivescam" wasn't a scam either, at least not from the government's position. They agreed on a price and got the product they wanted. CERB overpayment were an unfortunate reality. The government quickly set up a system to dole out billions of dollars to keep people afloat during the pandemic. This was critical and saved millions of Canadians from going under. It's unfortunate that the system was not robust enough to prevent fraud, but when speed and accessibility are the priorities, there's bound to be cracks, and they've determined that it would not be worth the effort to try and recover those funds.
The liberals haven't "lost billions upon billions of taxpayer cash with no explanation or being held to account". They've spent billions upon billions of taxpayer cash with poor tracking and overnight. Ministers have been replaced. More importantly, elections have been held and their "holding to account" has been them being re-elected.
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Double-edged sword that.
That statement would work for someone calling for something to be done to the place.
The mirror of that from critics of the idea might be something like, “$60 billion deficit, and they’re really going to spend money on the boss’s house?”
Don’t matter which party’s in power, the other side will grumble for the sake of grumbling. Job of the opposition is to oppose, and all that.
#WhyWeCantHaveNiceThings
Jarnhamar
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You got me. I should take more care with my language. Conservatives won the popular vote.
I tend to frame things as Conservatives vs all other parties.
LPC voters apathy towards foreign interference, specifically the Chinese variety, suggests to me it's the exact same party. YMMV of course.
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Legitimate question for you, @Fishbone Jones, @OldSolduer, and anyone else who is regularly defying the LPC for "foreign interference", "CCP ties", "Chinese influence", etc.:
What, in your opinion, is the red line that would have to be crossed for a liberal candidate to "unacceptable"?
Would the candidate being a member of a local organization where the organization has one time made a statement that could be construed as "pro-CCP" be enough? Would the candidate themselves traveling to China to attend an official CCP event (like a national holiday celebration/parade) be enough, even if they just attended as a spectator? Would the candidate be a relative of someone who was found to have participated in a Chinese information campaign enough, even if was say, they had cousin in Canada who shared anti-CPC propaganda on Facebook at the behest of China? What about if the candidate just shared a picture on Instagram of a trip they had in China visiting family where they said something like "so happy to see my family in China! A wonderful vacation in a beautiful country!".
Basically I'm curious what is the minimum level of interaction/connection with "red China" you would think is acceptable before you think a candidate is too "compromised" to me a member of Canadian parliament.
Given the number of Chinese immigrant we have in Canada, and how much importance they place on "community", I think it's almost impossible for a Chinese Canadian to be completely arms-length from anything or anyone who has some level of association to things you could consider "pro-CCP", and I think you're putting the bar too low.
Still wasn’t even close to a majority even though they did.
Sure. Then that means that most Canadians reject what the CPC is offering despite the popular vote going their way.
Or maybe a majority of Canadians (using your metric of conservatives vs everyone else) are worried about that but other things are more important to them than what is important to you.
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Old suck and blow concept!
Jarnhamar
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I picked up what you're saying. We need DOGE styled organization, just better. Better leadership, better boundaries, better transparency and accountability.
Our government spends money irresponsibly with barely any accountability and transparency. Canadians are apathetic towards it.
It's still a scandal. There's no transparency for tax payers WRT which MPs gave money to friends/relatives companies, which companies received money they weren't allowed to, and not a single dollar has been returned.
Millions missing, no names.
The government got scammed, tax payers foot the bill. The scammers weren't held accountable and again not a single dollar has been returned. Buddy made a mockery of the court or whatever he was called to speak at and we just shrugged.
I didn't lose my rifle I just didn't track where I placed it down in the woods?
$187B for infrastructure largely up in smoke. Do Canadians comprehend how kuch money that is?
260 Halifax Class Frigates or almost 400,000 homes.
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That is a very good question Lumber. I’m afraid I have no answer for it right now. I’ll mull this over during the day and see if my pea brain can come up with a coherent answer. No promises though
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Yes, you're right.
Right. Majority of Canadians appear willing to keep Liberals in power. Which appears will happen again too.
Right. Keeping China appears to be important to Canadian voters, specifically in the GTA.
Transparency and accountability aren't super important it seems. Sad but the crowd wants what it wants.
Jarnhamar
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The Han Dong saga is probably good for examples and different levels of being compromised.
1. Han Dong had to poop every time he was in Parliament and a vote came up that involved some how voting against China or condemning them for something.
2. Han Dong secretly flew across Canada to speak with Chinese officials in BC, going so far as to subtly trying to hide the itinerary and failing to report the trip to his office (as rules dictate).
3. Initially evaded the fact that he hired 3 school busses full of Chinese homeland teenagers "on a school trip" to vote for him in the leadership race.
Those all seem like examples of being compromised to me.
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Seems to be the case this time yes. But even then I doubt a majority will vote them in. Only polling at 43% or so. Not exactly a majority. But I fully expect the typical blame Canadians for being stupid etc etc from one side that refuses to see their own issues should that come to pass.
Not what I said but yet another piss poor attempt on your at putting words in my mouth. If you can’t fathom that maybe some voters have other issues top of mind, issues that might not be yours, then I fully expect you will be one of the people playing the accusatory blame game I noted above.
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Vote projection getting narrower but seat projection still seems to favour the LPC.
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