2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Fishbone Jones]

Just a tad more insight into Carney’s World

LILLEY: Carney continues to lie his way through campaign

Mark Carney is showing once again that he’s willing to tell bald faced lies to get elected.

torontosun.com

 

[CBH99]

The interesting thing about taxes is our tax rates went down during the Trudeau years, during the Harper years it was corporate taxes that went down, combined with personal exemption amounts going up. Wage growth was non existent, I gained two raises of 50 cents each in those years. You complain about the carbon tax but aside from prices at the pump, it affected 30 cents for every $100 at the grocery store for example, so itès not as terrible as many call it.

I remember a gov lawyer in the Harper days saying they had no obligation to veterans, I remember my mother losing her job during the financial crisis and having to take two min wage jobs just to get by.

The last 9 years? I've seen my wages grow over 20k, I bought my first home, and I have gotten substantial amounts back on my tax returns each year which I reinvest in my kids education funds.

Honestly, if that's been the case for you over the last 9 years - I am genuinely happy for you & I can very much understand your view on these being better years than the Harper years.

My experience has been the polar opposite.

House prices have skyrocketed, my salary certainly hasn't kept pace with the increase in inflation + increase in grocery prices + increase in general cost of living...



(Respectfully, the carbon tax has affected grocery prices by substantially more than 30 cents for every $100. If I could go to the grocery store with $100 today & buy what I used to buy for $100 + an extra 0.30 cents, I wouldn't care. But grocery prices have gone up A LOT more than 30 cents for every $100.)

 

[Lumber]

Honestly, if that's been the case for you over the last 9 years - I am genuinely happy for you & I can very much understand your view on these being better years than the Harper years.

My experience has been the polar opposite.

House prices have skyrocketed, my salary certainly hasn't kept pace with the increase in inflation + increase in grocery prices + increase in general cost of living...



(Respectfully, the carbon tax has affected grocery prices by substantially more than 30 cents for every $100. If I could go to the grocery store with $100 today & buy what I used to buy for $100 + an extra 0.30 cents, I wouldn't care. But grocery prices have gone up A LOT more than 30 cents for every $100.)

Grocery prices have certainly gone up. Inflation was a real bitch. But that inflation was due to the after effects of COVID, not the carbon tax. The portion of that increase in grocery prices you have experience is not from the carbon tax.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Honestly, if that's been the case for you over the last 9 years - I am genuinely happy for you & I can very much understand your view on these being better years than the Harper years.

My experience has been the polar opposite.

House prices have skyrocketed, my salary certainly hasn't kept pace with the increase in inflation + increase in grocery prices + increase in general cost of living...



(Respectfully, the carbon tax has affected grocery prices by substantially more than 30 cents for every $100. If I could go to the grocery store with $100 today & buy what I used to buy for $100 + an extra 0.30 cents, I wouldn't care. But grocery prices have gone up A LOT more than 30 cents for every $100.)

I'm definitely with you on this, and I thank PP for keeping the pressure on the Carbon Tax and forcing its removal. I am noticing its absence at the pumps. My 5.0 Coyote appreciates being fed the high test now.

 

[Lumber]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

 

[Good2Golf]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

The issue is vote efficiency- I think the CPC would need more than 4-5pts to overcome their inefficiency. Vote ‘overkill’ in rural/suburban areas won’t help as much as some may think…

 

[Remius]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

I still think it’s possible. I see it more from the perspectives that the bloc and NDP vote return to their homes last minute.

 

[CBH99]

Grocery prices have certainly gone up. Inflation was a real bitch. But that inflation was due to the after effects of COVID, not the carbon tax. The portion of that increase in grocery prices you have experience is not from the carbon tax.

Has the carbon tax not played a notable role in the increased cost of groceries though?

(Since every player in the chain now passes the increased cost of doing business down the road. So the farmers have to charge more, and the trucking companies need for charge more, and the grocery store now has to charge more, etc)




I understand inflation has had it's affect on grocery prices. But my understanding has been the carbon tax has played a non-insignificant factor in those grocery prices rising... am I wrong about that?

 

[CBH99]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

Well damn man lol

When you put it like that...

If the CPC wins, I hope Canada gets a full 4 years. We've had the LPC for 10 years, hopefully the CPC gets more than 1 year...

 

[Halifax Tar]

Well damn man lol

When you put it like that...

If the CPC wins, I hope Canada gets a full 4 years. We've had the LPC for 10 years, hopefully the CPC gets more than 1 year...

Canadians don't like going to elections one after the other. Remember what happened when Harper won his first minority.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

We agree for a change, on the veracity of polls at least

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well damn man lol

When you put it like that...

If the CPC wins, I hope Canada gets a full 4 years. We've had the LPC for 10 years, hopefully the CPC gets more than 1 year...

As long as they get enough time for Canadians to see them put some of their platform into place.

The first big and important issue they'll get is trade and tariffs. It will start immediately after the election, before the malcontents can bring down a minority government. Canadians would be livid with the party that interrupted those talks to go back to the polls. A good negotiation and outcome will do a lot to bolster their numbers.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I've developed a healthy (unhealthy?) skepticism for polls and feel like you need to arbitrarily remove at least 4-5% from the liberal/democratic vote to give you more accurate numbers. Therefore, my prediction for next week is now: an invigorated conservative base will sweep the rural and suburban areas across Canada. Along with the prairies and a few key/lucky victories in urban areas, the CPC will win with a slim minority. Let's all get ready for election 2026.

I don't think the polls being off is necessarily the case; the bulk of the CPC campaign for the last 10 years has been very focused on Trudeau specifically, and the Liberal Party did some very deliberate Team Trudeau branding as well, which worked well for them when he was popular.

Him quitting and being replaced by Carney is enough of a difference (real or perceived, really doesn't matter for voting) that undercut a lot of the voting against Trudeau in the polls (vice voting for Pollievre). I think it may have been a strategic mistake for the CPCs to tie it so much to Trudeau and some slogans, so Carney coming in took a lot of the wind out of their sails, and doing things like immediately killing the consumer carbon tax helped. They may have been able to pivot but then Trump behaving like a deranged demagogue may have been a killing blow by driving people away from the CPCs and their MAGA north style and messaging. Someone other than Pollievre may have managed it, but his core identity as a politician is a populist attack dog that is big on personal attacks, and pithy slogans so hardly someone that can bridge a gap. Once Trudeau quit he basically has been floundering and is now resorting to some pretty obvious outright lies.

The CPC is also massively over exaggerating things like turnouts so think their core support is vocal but smaller (and concentrated in spots) so won't translate to large seats counts.

The lack of flexibility on their campaign to recover on that is interesting, and I think getting called out by the ON PCs was pretty telling. Even if they manage to be the official opposition against a minority LIberal government, they really need to take a long hard look and see if their approach is even viable, or if having the former reformers forming a big chunk of the party and policies is too big of a turnoff to attract voters outside the west.

 

[suffolkowner]

Has the carbon tax not played a notable role in the increased cost of groceries though?

(Since every player in the chain now passes the increased cost of doing business down the road. So the farmers have to charge more, and the trucking companies need for charge more, and the grocery store now has to charge more, etc)




I understand inflation has had it's affect on grocery prices. But my understanding has been the carbon tax has played a non-insignificant factor in those grocery prices rising... am I wrong about that?

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At least in part a response to

Implications of carbon Taxing policies on the food supply chain in Canada

This paper explores the implications of carbon-taxing policies on food supply chain affordability and competitiveness in Canada. Initiated with Albert…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[MilEME09]

Largest health care union endorses Carney

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915433191705370998

 

[The Bread Guy]

One commentator I heard briefly this week hit some good points.

Blue Team demonized PMJT (easily done) for al loooooong, and got their wish. Result: dog chasing car now catches car - now what?

Blue also bashed the shit outta Team Orange for backing Red, and got their wish. A lot of Dippers scared about the Blues went Red, shrinking the honkin’ Blue lead.

Until very recently, Blues & Blue supporters have still been spending a lot of narrative energy bashing PMJT, with proxy blows to Carney & Co.

A lot of time spent being the attack dog left less time looking prime ministerial, notwithstanding the fact that in theory, opposition is there to oppose only. PP’s been clearly wanting to be PM for more than just the campaign period, but the team spent its energy developing the attack dog persona. One reaps what one sows …

 

[OldSolduer]

Young Mulroney was in attack dog mode on his radio show. He makes good points. If you're Blue.

 

[YZT580]

Grocery prices have certainly gone up. Inflation was a real bitch. But that inflation was due to the after effects of COVID, not the carbon tax. The portion of that increase in grocery prices you have experience is not from the carbon tax.

and you don't think that just maybe the government's profligate spending had maybe just a little bit to do with inflation? Just maybe

 

[OldSolduer]

and you don't think that just maybe the government's profligate spending had maybe just a little bit to do with inflation? Just maybe

And the carbon tax that large companies, Farmers and long haul truckers pay - the consumer pays those in the end.

 

[dapaterson]

Young Mulroney was in attack dog mode on his radio show. He makes good points. If you're Blue.

His dad literally took manilla envelopes filled with cash. Not someone I'd look to for guidance.